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will this tool alleviate or exacerbate the current conspiracy theories about WEF or the Gates Foundation? looking over the results my bet is 100% exacerbate. it

by kmlx 3y ago

will this tool alleviate or exacerbate the current conspiracy theories about WEF or the Gates Foundation? looking over the results my bet is 100% exacerbate. it’s a tool made to fan the flames, not to extinguish them, not to make us understand things better.

mdp2021 3y ago
Yes, but on the other hand, it can be informative (even though only partially so, hence capable of eliciting or causing premature judgements).
- jdthedisciple 3y ago
  This applies to pretty much all media. Heck, your appearance can cause premature judgements. Does that mean you should now walk around fully masked?
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    In significant amount, proportionate to the context. > Does that mean It means that education must return to be taken very seriously.
H8crilA 3y ago
Probably exacerbate, but so what? Soros was the boogeyman for decades, and it didn't matter because the people that believed such conspiracies usually are poor, know almost nothing about the world and generally have no effect on anything. It's a very useful project.
- kmlx 3y ago
  > and it didn't matter oh, i think it mattered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theori...
  - H8crilA 3y ago
    Okay but how did it matter? Other than some news stations having content to broadcast and sell ads against? For comparison, here are conspiracy/shit theories that did have an impact on the world in the past, or continues to have an impact: - Saddam has WMD - Ukraine is not a country - the end days of the world are here and we Muslims need to band up for the final fight (ISIS)
camillomiller 3y ago
I agree. The road to hell is paved with the best intentions. The problem with a tool like this is the populistic oversimplification. Not every funding is equal, not every funding means the person working for the organization funded can’t really speak their mind and so on. This are nuances that are happily disregarded and sacrificed on the altar of “data truth”.
- jdthedisciple 3y ago
  You see I want to give what you say some merit for a second. But I am 100% certain that you hold some political views and convictions. And I am 100% certain that you would use funding information against your political opponents. And it's not wrong. But let's just not pretend that all of a sudden this is something that should be hidden away "to prevent premature judgement". Yea right. Cui bono should ALWAYS be a legitimate question to ask.
  - kmlx 3y ago
    no one is arguing for "hidden away". we just want more information. it helps no one except the conspiracy fans when you find out someone is funded by the Gates Foundation. funded for what? for how much? these details matter.
    - jdthedisciple 3y ago
      The extension seems to offer a ton of information already, and it's still in its early stages it seems. Moreover, the genuine reader can always use Google and Wikipedia to educate themselves further. Besides, your OP certainly reads like advocating for hiding away certain facts as a kind of better choice in a tradeoff of sorts. Otherwise you would have certainly written it in a more constructive manner as opposed to implying that we would be better off without things like this extension altoghether (for fear that facts may "exacerbate" things).
      - kmlx 3y ago
        i suggest you re-read my initial comment.
jdthedisciple 3y ago
Whenever you are worried about facts exacerbating anything you should be more worried about the facts themselves than their publication. Seriously, who in their right mind still believes hiding the truth somehow will protect people from "conspiracy theories" (aka tomorrow's facts)?
- bt4u 3y ago
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lannisterstark 3y ago
Honestly? So what? The alternative should never be "be more ignorant so you can be more complecent or peaceful."
- kmlx 3y ago
  without more details this is useless and in effect will simply prolong the various conspiracy theories.
  - drekipus 3y ago
    conspiracy does happen though, so is it more important that conspiracy is discovered or that theories don't exist?

by kmlx 3y ago

mdp2021 3y ago

Yes, but on the other hand, it can be informative (even though only partially so, hence capable of eliciting or causing premature judgements).

jdthedisciple 3y ago
This applies to pretty much all media. Heck, your appearance can cause premature judgements. Does that mean you should now walk around fully masked?
- mdp2021 3y ago
  In significant amount, proportionate to the context. > Does that mean It means that education must return to be taken very seriously.

H8crilA 3y ago

Probably exacerbate, but so what? Soros was the boogeyman for decades, and it didn't matter because the people that believed such conspiracies usually are poor, know almost nothing about the world and generally have no effect on anything. It's a very useful project.

kmlx 3y ago
> and it didn't matter oh, i think it mattered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theori...
- H8crilA 3y ago
  Okay but how did it matter? Other than some news stations having content to broadcast and sell ads against? For comparison, here are conspiracy/shit theories that did have an impact on the world in the past, or continues to have an impact: - Saddam has WMD - Ukraine is not a country - the end days of the world are here and we Muslims need to band up for the final fight (ISIS)

camillomiller 3y ago

I agree. The road to hell is paved with the best intentions. The problem with a tool like this is the populistic oversimplification. Not every funding is equal, not every funding means the person working for the organization funded can’t really speak their mind and so on. This are nuances that are happily disregarded and sacrificed on the altar of “data truth”.

jdthedisciple 3y ago
You see I want to give what you say some merit for a second. But I am 100% certain that you hold some political views and convictions. And I am 100% certain that you would use funding information against your political opponents. And it's not wrong. But let's just not pretend that all of a sudden this is something that should be hidden away "to prevent premature judgement". Yea right. Cui bono should ALWAYS be a legitimate question to ask.
- kmlx 3y ago
  no one is arguing for "hidden away". we just want more information. it helps no one except the conspiracy fans when you find out someone is funded by the Gates Foundation. funded for what? for how much? these details matter.
  - jdthedisciple 3y ago
    The extension seems to offer a ton of information already, and it's still in its early stages it seems. Moreover, the genuine reader can always use Google and Wikipedia to educate themselves further. Besides, your OP certainly reads like advocating for hiding away certain facts as a kind of better choice in a tradeoff of sorts. Otherwise you would have certainly written it in a more constructive manner as opposed to implying that we would be better off without things like this extension altoghether (for fear that facts may "exacerbate" things).
    - kmlx 3y ago
      i suggest you re-read my initial comment.

jdthedisciple 3y ago

Whenever you are worried about facts exacerbating anything you should be more worried about the facts themselves than their publication. Seriously, who in their right mind still believes hiding the truth somehow will protect people from "conspiracy theories" (aka tomorrow's facts)?

bt4u 3y ago
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lannisterstark 3y ago

Honestly? So what? The alternative should never be "be more ignorant so you can be more complecent or peaceful."

kmlx 3y ago
without more details this is useless and in effect will simply prolong the various conspiracy theories.
- drekipus 3y ago
  conspiracy does happen though, so is it more important that conspiracy is discovered or that theories don't exist?