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So does only the donator get punished here and not as well the recipient? Isn't it generally the case if you receive stolen goods they can be take away? I thin

So does only the donator get punished here and not as well the recipient? Isn't it generally the case if you receive stolen goods they can be take away? I think there should be an exception specificity for political donations where the recipient is just as much in trouble for an illegal donation as the party sending it.

permo-w 3y ago
with regards to the second half of your comment, I suspect this is a belief coloured by your distaste for the political system in general. This is understandable, but not really fair Yes the political donation system is horrendous, and yes both parties are as a result corrupt capitalist lapdogs to corporations and the super rich, but given that the system exists, it's hard to legally blame a party for taking a donation from what at the time seemed like a legitimate business(man). I agree that there could and should be some form of financial retribution though. If a charity received illegal donations, surely they would have to forfeit it?
- sschueller 3y ago
  I agree that you should not be responsible when the donation is done legally but it appears not only did SBF use stolen funds but also paid illegal donations
  - maverwa 3y ago
    Assuming we cannot prove these parties knew the funds were stolen, wouldn’t you be punishing them for something they could not have known was illegal? We may assume that individuals in these parties knew that these donations were not entirely legal (due to the splitting) but can we prove that? Sure, in the case of parties, they’d be fine, they can pay that kind of money back, but let’s assume you donate to a charity and that charity spends that money on humanitarian aid. Your stolen 100m are now a (pretty nice, big) school in some country far away. Would it be „the right thing“ to make the charity pay that money back? Is that what the law demands? I guess that would make it even harder to run such a thing, since you always have to plan for the case where you might have to pay back donations you received… how long ago? But then again, political parties and campaigns may need different treatment. And you also somehow want to recover these funds for the people originally owned that money. Rough call to make.
  - permo-w 3y ago
    if that's the case, and it's provable in a court of law that they knew, then yeah I agree

permo-w 3y ago

with regards to the second half of your comment, I suspect this is a belief coloured by your distaste for the political system in general. This is understandable, but not really fair Yes the political donation system is horrendous, and yes both parties are as a result corrupt capitalist lapdogs to corporations and the super rich, but given that the system exists, it's hard to legally blame a party for taking a donation from what at the time seemed like a legitimate business(man). I agree that there could and should be some form of financial retribution though. If a charity received illegal donations, surely they would have to forfeit it?

sschueller 3y ago
I agree that you should not be responsible when the donation is done legally but it appears not only did SBF use stolen funds but also paid illegal donations
- maverwa 3y ago
  Assuming we cannot prove these parties knew the funds were stolen, wouldn’t you be punishing them for something they could not have known was illegal? We may assume that individuals in these parties knew that these donations were not entirely legal (due to the splitting) but can we prove that? Sure, in the case of parties, they’d be fine, they can pay that kind of money back, but let’s assume you donate to a charity and that charity spends that money on humanitarian aid. Your stolen 100m are now a (pretty nice, big) school in some country far away. Would it be „the right thing“ to make the charity pay that money back? Is that what the law demands? I guess that would make it even harder to run such a thing, since you always have to plan for the case where you might have to pay back donations you received… how long ago? But then again, political parties and campaigns may need different treatment. And you also somehow want to recover these funds for the people originally owned that money. Rough call to make.
- permo-w 3y ago
  if that's the case, and it's provable in a court of law that they knew, then yeah I agree