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In reality when you really think long and hard many jobs are kind of useless. I could argue that in the grand scheme of things our existence might be completel

In reality when you really think long and hard many jobs are kind of useless. I could argue that in the grand scheme of things our existence might be completely useless and irrelevant. Yet we spend our short existence doing things which have almost no meaning, some of us try to impress our friends and neighbors. Put up some accomplishments on our useless CV before we turn into dust. Others will raise their offspring to continue this until our planet can no longer sustain life. Humans are weird man.

bosch_mind 3y ago
I was just thinking about this on a walk this evening. Life is weird as hell and I find it rare to meet others that share a similar viewpoint
- McBeige 3y ago
  It's so weird. I think that sometimes, but I don't usually think about it. Most of the time it's just a short moment "awake" and aware that all of this is batshit absurd, then recognizing that there's nothing for me here up here except the view, then continue on with my life without remorse towards the next hill top or valley or whatever lies in wait for me. I think it used to give me vertigo, now I'm used to it. I feel tentatively okay about all this.
  - dougmwne 3y ago
    I just had a conversation with an LLM trying to find a word to describe your feeling. Life is indeed weird. Here you go: The concept of "thrownness" (Geworfenheit in German) was an important existentialist term coined by philosopher Martin Heidegger . Here's a quick explanation of what it means: - Thrownness refers to the idea that human beings are "thrown" into existence without getting a choice or having any control over the fact of their being. - It suggests humans find themselves born and existing suddenly, through no will or decision of their own. There's an abrupt, arbitrary aspect to being thrown into the world. - This thrownness highlights the inevitable given facts and limitations of one's particular life, time period, environment, language, culture, etc. that define the situation into which one was thrown. - Humans do not get to choose the circumstances of their thrownness, which can seem alien, foreign, strange, or absurd. This can provoke anxiety, angst, or existential crisis. In short, thrownness describes the jarring, arbitrary way humans find themselves existing in a world not of their choosing, highlighting the strangeness and uncertainty of the human condition.
bettercallsalad 3y ago
> Yet we spend our short existence doing things which have almost no meaning Well, for many of us that’s not a choice. In America, your healthcare is tied to your employer for example leaving you almost no choice but to remain employed. On top of that many of us racked up student loans that need to be paid off, so there is limited window of time for finding a rather meaningful job before you choose whatever comes your way and offers you the best salary even if it means you are going to be working on yet another social or crypto or delivery app. And not to say employers relentlessly pursuing an upper hand over employees and any choices they might have; just look at the whole reversing WFH fiasco. 80000 hours [1] have been pretty interesting for me to change my outlook however. I found out for me anyway, the best path of a satisfying relationship with my purpose and deal with existential crisis is through contributing to scientific research just for pure fun of learning and exploring the endless onion shell nature of the knowledge of the universe. [1] https://80000hours.org/ https://80000hours.org/
ChatGTP 3y ago
Alan Watts: Work as Play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWx7cqiSJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWx7cqiSJI I love his take on this topic. Hope you have time to listen and enjoy.
lm28469 3y ago
I can guarantee you being a "useless" code monkey making 2-5x the average wage of your country is better than being a "useless" min wage factory/warehouse/service worker Much easier to find a meaning in the former than the later
- acuozzo 3y ago
  What you're claiming is in direct contradiction to main plotline of Office Space. Granted, it's a movie, but given its following, I reckon its existence is sufficient to undermine your guarantee.
madspindel 3y ago
Ecclesiastes in the Bible begins with: The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem: 2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher. “Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless.” 3 What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun? 4 Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. and it ends with: Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
- dougmwne 3y ago
  What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing is new under the sun!
- pyinstallwoes 3y ago
  That’s a really pointless existence
- nly 3y ago
  So nothing is pointless because God actually gives a shit about all of it, no matter how insignificant, and is going to weigh it all up in the end? I guess that helped some people sleep at night as they laboured away as slaves.
- FreshStart 3y ago
  So if God is just a adaption to a endless cycle of strife, the answer is worship a gut instinct to continue the cycle? As in never question your program? Never strife for more?accept the unacceptable.. That is the whole answer..
  - skinner927 3y ago
    Isn’t life (regardless of species), by nature, simply an endless cycle of strife? The universe as a whole is completely pointless. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth experiencing. I say this a collection of particles from which that pointless universe is made, so what do I know.
0xEF 3y ago
Agreed. We are what we give our time to, and to those that would "brag" about how many hours a week they work, I ask "so, you are just your job, and nothing more?" When I meet a new person, one of my first questions is what hobbies they have. It throws people off more often than it should that my first question is not about work, and in fact, I specifically avoid talking about work at all. In many of those cases, the conversation dies very quickly, which always makes me a bit sad. It's not like I hate my job, either. I enjoy it, to the degree that I can, and do wish I had a better tech job, but for the most part it is tolerable and I am left to my own devices. I can talk about work, if someone asks, but mentally, when I am clocked out, my job doesn't exist. I suppose there are lots of people who always think about work, for lack of anything better, I guess.
- acuozzo 3y ago
  > When I meet a new person, one of my first questions is what hobbies they have Same here(!), as a chronic collector of hobbies. With that being said, within the past year I've added body maintenance (i.e., diet/exercise/enough-sleep) into my daily schedule and I've yet to recover from the loss in time. It's starting to make me feel like Mr. Rat Race. Granted, I have three children (9/6/4) and work full-time, but in the recent past I had more time to devote to doing the things I love. Do you have any suggestions?
  - 0xEF 3y ago
    I don't realy have any suggestions other than constantly examine how you spend your time, and make adjustments wherd needed. Some examples I can think of are: 1. Try to find ways to combine your exercise time and spending time with your kids. Lots of activities such as sports, martial arts, hiking, etc, might work here. 2. Classify your hobbies and interests into "passive" and "productive." For example, I love reading old science fiction. I also love tinkering with electronics. Reading books is fun, but does produce lasting results in me the way that learning new stuff by building gadgets does. So, I make more time for my workbench, and my reading is reserved for times when I want a bit of entertainment, but can't be at the workbench (such as on lunch at work). 3. Check your screentime. It's disturbingly easy for us to lie about how much time we actually waste on our smartphones, computers and televisions. Every few months I have to start jotting down times I sit down to my computer, or get an app to track my YouTube watching, just to keep things to a minimum. These days it's less, but it took awhile to build that mindfulness and set up some mental pivot points for when I've had enough Internet for the day. I have no idea if any of this will help you. We all have different values and needs that factor in to how we spent our most precious resource; time. As a fellow dad (although my kid is an adult now), I'd say make most of that time about your kids. You might be surprised how much you grow as a person just by doing that, although with 3 kids, I imagine you already have a pretty good idea about that!

bosch_mind 3y ago

I was just thinking about this on a walk this evening. Life is weird as hell and I find it rare to meet others that share a similar viewpoint

McBeige 3y ago
It's so weird. I think that sometimes, but I don't usually think about it. Most of the time it's just a short moment "awake" and aware that all of this is batshit absurd, then recognizing that there's nothing for me here up here except the view, then continue on with my life without remorse towards the next hill top or valley or whatever lies in wait for me. I think it used to give me vertigo, now I'm used to it. I feel tentatively okay about all this.
- dougmwne 3y ago
  I just had a conversation with an LLM trying to find a word to describe your feeling. Life is indeed weird. Here you go: The concept of "thrownness" (Geworfenheit in German) was an important existentialist term coined by philosopher Martin Heidegger . Here's a quick explanation of what it means: - Thrownness refers to the idea that human beings are "thrown" into existence without getting a choice or having any control over the fact of their being. - It suggests humans find themselves born and existing suddenly, through no will or decision of their own. There's an abrupt, arbitrary aspect to being thrown into the world. - This thrownness highlights the inevitable given facts and limitations of one's particular life, time period, environment, language, culture, etc. that define the situation into which one was thrown. - Humans do not get to choose the circumstances of their thrownness, which can seem alien, foreign, strange, or absurd. This can provoke anxiety, angst, or existential crisis. In short, thrownness describes the jarring, arbitrary way humans find themselves existing in a world not of their choosing, highlighting the strangeness and uncertainty of the human condition.

bettercallsalad 3y ago

> Yet we spend our short existence doing things which have almost no meaning Well, for many of us that’s not a choice. In America, your healthcare is tied to your employer for example leaving you almost no choice but to remain employed. On top of that many of us racked up student loans that need to be paid off, so there is limited window of time for finding a rather meaningful job before you choose whatever comes your way and offers you the best salary even if it means you are going to be working on yet another social or crypto or delivery app. And not to say employers relentlessly pursuing an upper hand over employees and any choices they might have; just look at the whole reversing WFH fiasco. 80000 hours [1] have been pretty interesting for me to change my outlook however. I found out for me anyway, the best path of a satisfying relationship with my purpose and deal with existential crisis is through contributing to scientific research just for pure fun of learning and exploring the endless onion shell nature of the knowledge of the universe. [1] https://80000hours.org/ https://80000hours.org/

ChatGTP 3y ago

Alan Watts: Work as Play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWx7cqiSJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWx7cqiSJI I love his take on this topic. Hope you have time to listen and enjoy.

lm28469 3y ago

I can guarantee you being a "useless" code monkey making 2-5x the average wage of your country is better than being a "useless" min wage factory/warehouse/service worker Much easier to find a meaning in the former than the later

acuozzo 3y ago
What you're claiming is in direct contradiction to main plotline of Office Space. Granted, it's a movie, but given its following, I reckon its existence is sufficient to undermine your guarantee.

madspindel 3y ago

Ecclesiastes in the Bible begins with: The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem: 2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher. “Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless.” 3 What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun? 4 Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. and it ends with: Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

dougmwne 3y ago
What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing is new under the sun!
pyinstallwoes 3y ago
That’s a really pointless existence
nly 3y ago
So nothing is pointless because God actually gives a shit about all of it, no matter how insignificant, and is going to weigh it all up in the end? I guess that helped some people sleep at night as they laboured away as slaves.
FreshStart 3y ago
So if God is just a adaption to a endless cycle of strife, the answer is worship a gut instinct to continue the cycle? As in never question your program? Never strife for more?accept the unacceptable.. That is the whole answer..
- skinner927 3y ago
  Isn’t life (regardless of species), by nature, simply an endless cycle of strife? The universe as a whole is completely pointless. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth experiencing. I say this a collection of particles from which that pointless universe is made, so what do I know.

0xEF 3y ago

Agreed. We are what we give our time to, and to those that would "brag" about how many hours a week they work, I ask "so, you are just your job, and nothing more?" When I meet a new person, one of my first questions is what hobbies they have. It throws people off more often than it should that my first question is not about work, and in fact, I specifically avoid talking about work at all. In many of those cases, the conversation dies very quickly, which always makes me a bit sad. It's not like I hate my job, either. I enjoy it, to the degree that I can, and do wish I had a better tech job, but for the most part it is tolerable and I am left to my own devices. I can talk about work, if someone asks, but mentally, when I am clocked out, my job doesn't exist. I suppose there are lots of people who always think about work, for lack of anything better, I guess.

acuozzo 3y ago
> When I meet a new person, one of my first questions is what hobbies they have Same here(!), as a chronic collector of hobbies. With that being said, within the past year I've added body maintenance (i.e., diet/exercise/enough-sleep) into my daily schedule and I've yet to recover from the loss in time. It's starting to make me feel like Mr. Rat Race. Granted, I have three children (9/6/4) and work full-time, but in the recent past I had more time to devote to doing the things I love. Do you have any suggestions?
- 0xEF 3y ago
  I don't realy have any suggestions other than constantly examine how you spend your time, and make adjustments wherd needed. Some examples I can think of are: 1. Try to find ways to combine your exercise time and spending time with your kids. Lots of activities such as sports, martial arts, hiking, etc, might work here. 2. Classify your hobbies and interests into "passive" and "productive." For example, I love reading old science fiction. I also love tinkering with electronics. Reading books is fun, but does produce lasting results in me the way that learning new stuff by building gadgets does. So, I make more time for my workbench, and my reading is reserved for times when I want a bit of entertainment, but can't be at the workbench (such as on lunch at work). 3. Check your screentime. It's disturbingly easy for us to lie about how much time we actually waste on our smartphones, computers and televisions. Every few months I have to start jotting down times I sit down to my computer, or get an app to track my YouTube watching, just to keep things to a minimum. These days it's less, but it took awhile to build that mindfulness and set up some mental pivot points for when I've had enough Internet for the day. I have no idea if any of this will help you. We all have different values and needs that factor in to how we spent our most precious resource; time. As a fellow dad (although my kid is an adult now), I'd say make most of that time about your kids. You might be surprised how much you grow as a person just by doing that, although with 3 kids, I imagine you already have a pretty good idea about that!