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EDIT: Others have commented that this is just that the # of students taking courses vs. the # of students in the major. The phrase "program enrollment" meant so
by codemac 3y ago
EDIT: Others have commented that this is just that the # of students taking courses vs. the # of students in the major. The phrase "program enrollment" meant something different to me. This would make the 800k profit make sense.
Can someone help me clarify how they're getting to $800k in profit? When I look at their actual numbers, his comments don't make sense.
https://provost.wvu.edu/files/d/bf3ef02f-e90a-4e43-a316-d295fa489067/academic-transformation-public-data-table_july-17-2023-100.pdf https://provost.wvu.edu/files/d/bf3ef02f-e90a-4e43-a316-d295...
They somehow have 18000+ credit hours to their department in a year, but only 61 enrolled students in fall 2022 which, means an average student enrolled was taking 310 credits? Or ~150ish if the 2022 credit hours is for both fall & spring?
My guess is that these are $0 credits. Most universities allow you to meet your "foreign languages requirement" by showing your High School transcripts, and then you get those credits applied to your degree. $0 profit. The later part of the spreadsheet clearly shows how impossible this is - they did not make $6.7M with 61 students' tuition. Clearly the spreadsheet is just a dumb formula multiplying by the credits..
So either they're somehow the most expensive foreign language school in the world, with 1 instructor per 2 students that folks are paying $50k+/semester..
Or their research grants aren't being accounted for correctly? (I don't know how grants work, I am but a lowly swe)
Or they're a wildly expensive department that almost no one major's with, and their research grants don't cover their millions in losses to the university.
- codemac 3y agoThe argument they should be making is more straight forward: We should not allow a University to become so mismanaged that every degree must be profitable, but instead a positive ROI for all students. Second, languages are not an optional part of a University for the people of West Virginia - we must be connected to the world.
- icegreentea2 3y agoEnrollment is for programs, but course credits are tabulated by subject code (not program). It's possible that students at the university taking foreign languages as actual courses (and not just transferring high school credits) count towards the credit (and revenue) total. You can see similar things in other programs (look at geography/geology) where'd you might expect a lot of non-major's to take a course in. EDIT: Or most blatantly, look at math. Pulling in ~20 million dollars of revenue on ~120 program enrollments with an FTE:Enrolled ratio of 3. The credits are clearly from non-major'd students taking courses offered.
- ethbr1 3y agoAnd that was the thinking at the engineering school I went to. We offered an English major. Why? Because engineers should take a fair number of English courses as part of their major, and you attract the best teaching talent if you have an actual program, even if you only have a few explicitly-majoring students. Eliminating foreign language requirements seems insane to me, though. How much of the world is missing to you without a second language?
- codemac 3y agoThank you! Great clarification.