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> I didn't see any language demanding that the vehicle become inoperable in a cellular dead zone, but if their paramount concern is to shield themselves from li

by olliej 3y ago

> I didn't see any language demanding that the vehicle become inoperable in a cellular dead zone, but if their paramount concern is to shield themselves from liability, then having the car disengage is one way to ensure that. If I block a bunch of roads with cars I am violating CVC, at least once per car, and would get fined every time. I'd also possibly get penalties on my license. For example, say I'm driving down the road and start feeling tired. I realize that it's unsafe for me to continue driving. Can I just stop where I am and have a nap and claim I have shielded myself from liability?

altairprime 3y ago
CVC violations and license penalties are not liabilities. Both you and self-driving cars should earn penalties for that behavior, and honestly I'd like to see Cruise ticketed for the CVC violations documented above. However, by coming to a stop in the middle of the road and having a nap, you are maximally protected from any damages or harm you might otherwise incur. If someone runs into you, they will be partially at fault; and, as you are stopped, you cannot run into someone else. From a purely selfish standpoint, that would be a completely appropriate choice to make. Fortunately, the points system used in California for individual drivers issues penalties for non-harmful, non-destructive violations so individual drivers will still be penalized for taking purely selfish actions (like parking in the middle of the street, though YMMV region-to-region). There are too many drivers and not enough workers at the DMV to converse with every individual about their year of 'disengagements' while on public roadways, for the DMV to define protection of the commons by "once a year, we ask you for a self-audit of your fuckups", as they do with autonomous driving companies today. I don't have an opinion on whether that is the best possible outcome or not right now — but it's as close as I can describe how things are today, and why you should not expect to minimize liability like an autonomous vehicle does without penalty. I hope this is of some use to your question.
hacoo 3y ago
Yeah, I’ve wondered if Cruise and Waymo get tickets for this stuff. But if they do, paying them is probably not a big expense for these large companies.

by olliej 3y ago

altairprime 3y ago

CVC violations and license penalties are not liabilities. Both you and self-driving cars should earn penalties for that behavior, and honestly I'd like to see Cruise ticketed for the CVC violations documented above. However, by coming to a stop in the middle of the road and having a nap, you are maximally protected from any damages or harm you might otherwise incur. If someone runs into you, they will be partially at fault; and, as you are stopped, you cannot run into someone else. From a purely selfish standpoint, that would be a completely appropriate choice to make. Fortunately, the points system used in California for individual drivers issues penalties for non-harmful, non-destructive violations so individual drivers will still be penalized for taking purely selfish actions (like parking in the middle of the street, though YMMV region-to-region). There are too many drivers and not enough workers at the DMV to converse with every individual about their year of 'disengagements' while on public roadways, for the DMV to define protection of the commons by "once a year, we ask you for a self-audit of your fuckups", as they do with autonomous driving companies today. I don't have an opinion on whether that is the best possible outcome or not right now — but it's as close as I can describe how things are today, and why you should not expect to minimize liability like an autonomous vehicle does without penalty. I hope this is of some use to your question.

hacoo 3y ago

Yeah, I’ve wondered if Cruise and Waymo get tickets for this stuff. But if they do, paying them is probably not a big expense for these large companies.