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As you yourself pointed out, California's Prop 13 does not give anyone absolute right to live somewhere. If you cannot pay the taxes, you cannot live there. If

As you yourself pointed out, California's Prop 13 does not give anyone absolute right to live somewhere. If you cannot pay the taxes, you cannot live there. If you cannot pay the water/power/maintenance you cannot live there. Just like if you can't pay the rent, even in country like Sweden with strong renter protections, you can be evicted. Limited allodial title is rare. True allodial title is very rare. In the US the federal government can always assert eminent domain.

fragmede 3y ago
It's still an attempt to let people live where they've settled and put down roots. No it's not absolute, but it's in that direction, and like they say, the only thing guaranteed in life are death and taxes.
- eesmith 3y ago
  Sure, but I distinguished between an absolute right ("no one is arguing for that") vs. a more limited right that various places already have. When you wrote "that you should have that right", were you referring to the absolute right? Or the limited right that I said already exist in places? I thought you referring to the former, as that's the part you quoted. However, you gave an example of a more limited right, so isn't actually a counter-example. What I was thinking about was how various countries have "attempt to let people live where they've settled and put down roots" as a matter of national policy. Take Norway, https://www.regjeringen.no/en/dokumenter/the-tenancy-act/id270390/ https://www.regjeringen.no/en/dokumenter/the-tenancy-act/id2... "Termination by the landlord of a tenancy agreement valid for an unspecified period" shows the small number of reasons a landlord can kick someone out. Otherwise you have the indefinite right to live there. Speaking of death, it even lists succession rights on the death of a tenant "If the tenant of a dwelling dies, the following persons are entitled to succeed to the tenancy". The US also has places with similar laws, like rent controlled apartments in New York City which, I read at https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/faqs/rent-control/ https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/faqs/... , also includes the right to inherit. I personally think these leaseholder examples, which unlike CA Prop 13 run counter to the interests of the landowner, make them a clearer example of supporting the "right to live where you were born in perpetuity".

fragmede 3y ago

It's still an attempt to let people live where they've settled and put down roots. No it's not absolute, but it's in that direction, and like they say, the only thing guaranteed in life are death and taxes.

eesmith 3y ago
Sure, but I distinguished between an absolute right ("no one is arguing for that") vs. a more limited right that various places already have. When you wrote "that you should have that right", were you referring to the absolute right? Or the limited right that I said already exist in places? I thought you referring to the former, as that's the part you quoted. However, you gave an example of a more limited right, so isn't actually a counter-example. What I was thinking about was how various countries have "attempt to let people live where they've settled and put down roots" as a matter of national policy. Take Norway, https://www.regjeringen.no/en/dokumenter/the-tenancy-act/id270390/ https://www.regjeringen.no/en/dokumenter/the-tenancy-act/id2... "Termination by the landlord of a tenancy agreement valid for an unspecified period" shows the small number of reasons a landlord can kick someone out. Otherwise you have the indefinite right to live there. Speaking of death, it even lists succession rights on the death of a tenant "If the tenant of a dwelling dies, the following persons are entitled to succeed to the tenancy". The US also has places with similar laws, like rent controlled apartments in New York City which, I read at https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/faqs/rent-control/ https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/faqs/... , also includes the right to inherit. I personally think these leaseholder examples, which unlike CA Prop 13 run counter to the interests of the landowner, make them a clearer example of supporting the "right to live where you were born in perpetuity".