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I promise not to use any of the data I collect about you! Except to improve services (ML training!), Advertising (We'll sell your data to advertisers!), and by

I promise not to use any of the data I collect about you! Except to improve services (ML training!), Advertising (We'll sell your data to advertisers!), and by government order (pick your favorite three letter agency.) Alternatively: They'll just use your data anyway and not tell you about it. How is anyone going to prove their data was used as the source? It's like all the NDAs people sign when they join a company and they pinky promise not to use it at the next job where they land a big fat raise and promotion... suuure they aren't going to take what they've learned and improve upon it to try and get more promotions and raises in the future. It can't be stopped.

josephg 3y ago
> It can't be stopped. Maybe. Maybe not. Hard to tell without trying. I applaud the EU and California for giving it a go with their data protection laws. I really hope their crackdown on this stuff is effective.
sublinear 3y ago
> It's like all the NDAs people sign when they join a company and they pinky promise not to use it at the next job where they land a big fat raise and promotion Uh no. An NDA would cover proprietary intellectual property, not tools everyone else also uses. Unless you're now working for the previous employer's competitor, it's unlikely that proprietary tech would ever be used. Working for competitors and partners is usually also forbidden for some period of time after leaving.
alanfranz 3y ago
> How is anyone going to prove their data was used as the source? 1) whistleblowing 2) compliance audits (think soc2)
- ang_cire 3y ago
  How would a soc2 audit uncover that? They're asking for evidence that your admin accounts are reviewed for permissions needed each quarter, that you are doing your DR tests, that you are following documented change management processes, etc, not asking to look at what your running containers are doing. There is absolutely no way that any compliance audit I can think of would or would even attempt to uncover that kind of info.

josephg 3y ago

> It can't be stopped. Maybe. Maybe not. Hard to tell without trying. I applaud the EU and California for giving it a go with their data protection laws. I really hope their crackdown on this stuff is effective.

sublinear 3y ago

> It's like all the NDAs people sign when they join a company and they pinky promise not to use it at the next job where they land a big fat raise and promotion Uh no. An NDA would cover proprietary intellectual property, not tools everyone else also uses. Unless you're now working for the previous employer's competitor, it's unlikely that proprietary tech would ever be used. Working for competitors and partners is usually also forbidden for some period of time after leaving.

alanfranz 3y ago

> How is anyone going to prove their data was used as the source? 1) whistleblowing 2) compliance audits (think soc2)

ang_cire 3y ago
How would a soc2 audit uncover that? They're asking for evidence that your admin accounts are reviewed for permissions needed each quarter, that you are doing your DR tests, that you are following documented change management processes, etc, not asking to look at what your running containers are doing. There is absolutely no way that any compliance audit I can think of would or would even attempt to uncover that kind of info.