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Ignore Everybody.

135 points by rfugger 15y ago

jmitcheson 15y ago
Wow. I have to say: if you opened the page and then left immediately due to all the spammy looking stuff up the top, GO BACK. This was a pretty good read. It's basically about startups from the point of view of an artist but every point translates perfectly to software.
- dotemacs 15y ago
  I'd agree with that. Ignore the SPAM at the very top and read the article. I've been Hugh's fan for over 10 years now. I have the book. Great stuff.
- graeme 15y ago
  Thank you for writing that. It took 20 seconds for the ads at the top to load, and they kept pushing me away from the content. I would have bounced if I hadn't read your comment. Great read.
- MoOmer 15y ago
  Thank you - I left the page, figuring that the large image with colored sentences was the content.
- benatkin 15y ago
  It's deliberately over the top. I don't know for sure how I'd react upon first seeing this, because I've known about Hugh McLeod's work for a long time, but I'd like to think that it would have made it past my filter.
Pent 15y ago
Some good insight, better then it looked like at first because it actually goes into detail... Still not sure if I'll remember any of it tomorrow.
crusso 15y ago
Pretty good read, but I always have an ironic chuckle when someone advises you to "ignore advice from others". That advice is only out-shined by blogs that advise others to "stop telling everyone else what to do".
gbog 15y ago
On this one 34. Beware of turning hobbies into jobs. It is true, but only half-true I guess. I have been bitten but this issue: With an engineering background, I loved music, and decided to try to live by music, so I became a sound engineer. I had to stop. After some time I could not listen to anything but raw classical (eg Bach). If you love music and want to continue loving it, don't make it your daily job! I guess it is different with coding: If you like to code, maybe there is no problem in doing it also as a daily job (arguably).
- Random_Person 15y ago
  This is the closest to home for me. I started coding when I was around 10. I wrote software every day for 12 years, enthralled and eager to try new things. I learned every language I could get my hands on. When it became a job, I lost all my passion for it. I quit coding for 10 years. Not a single line. I decided to become an automotive mechanic instead... Today, I'm in IT and my creative outlet is board games. I not only play them, but I design them as well. Last year I licensed my first game and suddenly this dream that I have always had of being published was fulfilled. My first instinct was to embrace that success and use the boost to create more success. I had to pause. I was trying to force success again. The difference this time was that I realized quickly that I was trying to monetize a hobby. Forget it. I'm not abandoning passionate game design for money. It's just not worth it.
  - the_cat_kittles 15y ago
    I think the rub is that creative things (maybe almost everything, actually) really only grow out of intrinsic motivation. For most people, money is the exact opposite of that.
    - Random_Person 15y ago
      I completely agree with you. I also think that "most people" never truly understand and instead chase the almighty dollar believing it to be the measure of their success. Money doesn't motivate me at all. It is a means of surviving without self-sustaining. I cut my pay in half to become an automotive mechanic and it was the greatest move I ever made. I was no longer working for the dollar, I was working for the joy of fixing things. Literally overnight I became poor and happy simultaneously.
deedubaya 15y ago
I have this one on my wall, good reminder to look at every day.
nate 15y ago
Hugh's been a favorite of mine too. One of the only newsletter's I've subscribed to. You might dig this blog post of mine that was up on HN awhile ago that mentioned Hugh and Jobs and the effort of going against the grain. http://blog.inklingmarkets.com/2010/01/ignore-everbody.html http://blog.inklingmarkets.com/2010/01/ignore-everbody.html
freshfey 15y ago
The greatest insight I got from this (pretty awesome) book was that sometimes your friends criticize your ideas and projects, because deeply they are scared that your relationship will change if you're successful.
- clarebear 15y ago
  You can find friends who will help you change for the better. When you do, value them.
kghose 15y ago
Not a deep link, but a link to the site directly http://www.gapingvoidart.com/ignore-everybody-11x14-p-69_0.html?utm_campaign=ignoreeverybody&utm_medium=ignoreeverybodyimage http://www.gapingvoidart.com/ignore-everybody-11x14-p-69_0.h...
- austingulati 15y ago
  That's just the image at the top, the real value is in the article. I didn't notice it was there until I read the comments and someone pointed it out.
gruseom 15y ago
This piece contains the immortal line "Never compare your inside with somebody else’s outside." I've quoted that to my kids (and myself) many times. These are hard topics to write about, because inspiring talk quickly slides into feel-goodness which is dangerously close to the black hole of complacency: one false move and you get sucked in. What Hugh writes doesn't do that (edit: mostly), perhaps because he's so direct about the loneliness and pain of creative work. "Nobody suddenly discovers anything. Things are made slowly and in pain." There's also something about the contrast between his trivial business-card doodles and the life-and-death questions. The high and the low go together and understand each other. It's the mediocre middle that sucks.
- vibrunazo 15y ago
  > These are hard topics to write about, because inspiring talk quickly slides into feel-goodness Don't you think that "Everyone is born creative; everyone is given a box of crayons in kindergarten." Crosses that line? It's really easy to prove that wrong. Statistically, that's a bad advice. In my personal opinion, that sounds like a dishonest mean to get your readers to like you. I don't blame him tho. I don't think he's doing any wrong. There's a difference between "scientifically correct" and "politically correct". And I understand that, unfortunately, life sometimes makes you choose the political path instead of the scientifically correct one. If a kid with mental disorder asks you "will I ever be an astronaut?", it might be dishonest to pat him in the back and tell him, of course you can, just try hard enough. But I wouldn't blame those who would.
  - gruseom 15y ago
    No doubt he crosses the line - it's hard not to. I'm not sure I agree about that particular quote, though. If we all went by probability, nobody would do anything great. The soul does not live by statistics. I am no authority, but FWIW my experience of creativity comes from a place I find hard to believe every human being doesn't have access to. As Bob Dylan sang: "In this you are not so unique". The difficulty is that we are governed almost completely by the desire to believe and do what other people say.

135 points by rfugger 15y ago

Wow. I have to say: if you opened the page and then left immediately due to all the spammy looking stuff up the top, GO BACK. This was a pretty good read. It's basically about startups from the point of view of an artist but every point translates perfectly to software.

dotemacs 15y ago
I'd agree with that. Ignore the SPAM at the very top and read the article. I've been Hugh's fan for over 10 years now. I have the book. Great stuff.
graeme 15y ago
Thank you for writing that. It took 20 seconds for the ads at the top to load, and they kept pushing me away from the content. I would have bounced if I hadn't read your comment. Great read.
MoOmer 15y ago
Thank you - I left the page, figuring that the large image with colored sentences was the content.
benatkin 15y ago
It's deliberately over the top. I don't know for sure how I'd react upon first seeing this, because I've known about Hugh McLeod's work for a long time, but I'd like to think that it would have made it past my filter.

Pent 15y ago

Some good insight, better then it looked like at first because it actually goes into detail... Still not sure if I'll remember any of it tomorrow.

crusso 15y ago

Pretty good read, but I always have an ironic chuckle when someone advises you to "ignore advice from others". That advice is only out-shined by blogs that advise others to "stop telling everyone else what to do".

gbog 15y ago

On this one 34. Beware of turning hobbies into jobs. It is true, but only half-true I guess. I have been bitten but this issue: With an engineering background, I loved music, and decided to try to live by music, so I became a sound engineer. I had to stop. After some time I could not listen to anything but raw classical (eg Bach). If you love music and want to continue loving it, don't make it your daily job! I guess it is different with coding: If you like to code, maybe there is no problem in doing it also as a daily job (arguably).

Random_Person 15y ago
This is the closest to home for me. I started coding when I was around 10. I wrote software every day for 12 years, enthralled and eager to try new things. I learned every language I could get my hands on. When it became a job, I lost all my passion for it. I quit coding for 10 years. Not a single line. I decided to become an automotive mechanic instead... Today, I'm in IT and my creative outlet is board games. I not only play them, but I design them as well. Last year I licensed my first game and suddenly this dream that I have always had of being published was fulfilled. My first instinct was to embrace that success and use the boost to create more success. I had to pause. I was trying to force success again. The difference this time was that I realized quickly that I was trying to monetize a hobby. Forget it. I'm not abandoning passionate game design for money. It's just not worth it.
- the_cat_kittles 15y ago
  I think the rub is that creative things (maybe almost everything, actually) really only grow out of intrinsic motivation. For most people, money is the exact opposite of that.
  - Random_Person 15y ago
    I completely agree with you. I also think that "most people" never truly understand and instead chase the almighty dollar believing it to be the measure of their success. Money doesn't motivate me at all. It is a means of surviving without self-sustaining. I cut my pay in half to become an automotive mechanic and it was the greatest move I ever made. I was no longer working for the dollar, I was working for the joy of fixing things. Literally overnight I became poor and happy simultaneously.

deedubaya 15y ago

I have this one on my wall, good reminder to look at every day.

nate 15y ago

Hugh's been a favorite of mine too. One of the only newsletter's I've subscribed to. You might dig this blog post of mine that was up on HN awhile ago that mentioned Hugh and Jobs and the effort of going against the grain. http://blog.inklingmarkets.com/2010/01/ignore-everbody.html http://blog.inklingmarkets.com/2010/01/ignore-everbody.html

freshfey 15y ago

The greatest insight I got from this (pretty awesome) book was that sometimes your friends criticize your ideas and projects, because deeply they are scared that your relationship will change if you're successful.

clarebear 15y ago
You can find friends who will help you change for the better. When you do, value them.

kghose 15y ago

Not a deep link, but a link to the site directly http://www.gapingvoidart.com/ignore-everybody-11x14-p-69_0.html?utm_campaign=ignoreeverybody&utm_medium=ignoreeverybodyimage http://www.gapingvoidart.com/ignore-everybody-11x14-p-69_0.h...

austingulati 15y ago
That's just the image at the top, the real value is in the article. I didn't notice it was there until I read the comments and someone pointed it out.

gruseom 15y ago

This piece contains the immortal line "Never compare your inside with somebody else’s outside." I've quoted that to my kids (and myself) many times. These are hard topics to write about, because inspiring talk quickly slides into feel-goodness which is dangerously close to the black hole of complacency: one false move and you get sucked in. What Hugh writes doesn't do that (edit: mostly), perhaps because he's so direct about the loneliness and pain of creative work. "Nobody suddenly discovers anything. Things are made slowly and in pain." There's also something about the contrast between his trivial business-card doodles and the life-and-death questions. The high and the low go together and understand each other. It's the mediocre middle that sucks.

vibrunazo 15y ago
> These are hard topics to write about, because inspiring talk quickly slides into feel-goodness Don't you think that "Everyone is born creative; everyone is given a box of crayons in kindergarten." Crosses that line? It's really easy to prove that wrong. Statistically, that's a bad advice. In my personal opinion, that sounds like a dishonest mean to get your readers to like you. I don't blame him tho. I don't think he's doing any wrong. There's a difference between "scientifically correct" and "politically correct". And I understand that, unfortunately, life sometimes makes you choose the political path instead of the scientifically correct one. If a kid with mental disorder asks you "will I ever be an astronaut?", it might be dishonest to pat him in the back and tell him, of course you can, just try hard enough. But I wouldn't blame those who would.
- gruseom 15y ago
  No doubt he crosses the line - it's hard not to. I'm not sure I agree about that particular quote, though. If we all went by probability, nobody would do anything great. The soul does not live by statistics. I am no authority, but FWIW my experience of creativity comes from a place I find hard to believe every human being doesn't have access to. As Bob Dylan sang: "In this you are not so unique". The difficulty is that we are governed almost completely by the desire to believe and do what other people say.