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> > EVs were dead in the water for decades until Tesla. Space travel has stalled since the Cold War. Satellite internet... DirecTV was a joke that used dialup o

> > EVs were dead in the water for decades until Tesla. Space travel has stalled since the Cold War. Satellite internet... DirecTV was a joke that used dialup or DSL upstream. All these sectors are driven by politics and or military because there is no ROI via the legit avenues: consumers trying to improve their lives The big push for EVs started under Obama and after many years and many billions of handouts people are still on the fence and you literally need to threat a mandate to stop ICE cars production in order for them to take EVs into consideration. Musk is nothing without D.C. and as much as all the other guys on the Forbes 400 are still unsufferable assholes, you can’t claim the same for them. Zuck and Bezos for example built their companies not on D.C. but AT&T. It’s a big difference and consumers benefit from this

solardev 3y ago
What's wrong with that? Rocketry and airplanes and the internet and railroads and nuclear power etc. all started with government and military uses and investments, but so? The federal government gives out money for lots of things, but they fail often (rural broadband? functional healthcare? prisons? education?). Arguably the government acts as a research incubator for new sectors, and I'm glad he turned them into functional everyday businesses that consumers can afford (well, except SpaceX). Zuck and Bezos also built off government research and funds... the transportation and communication networks. So what?
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > Zuck and Bezos also built off government research and funds... the transportation and communication networks. So what? Nope. AT&T built on top of governmental transportation and communication network, Zuck built on top of AT&T , his billions are less tainted because they are further removed from the horrendous practice of pointing guns at taxpayers heads to finance the centrally planned economic project du jour such as the Apollo rockets or the LHC or the Bubble telescope which won’t ever yield anything for the poor shmucks who financed it
  - solardev 3y ago
    I see. I'm afraid I don't share your views on government projects or the purity of money.

solardev 3y ago

What's wrong with that? Rocketry and airplanes and the internet and railroads and nuclear power etc. all started with government and military uses and investments, but so? The federal government gives out money for lots of things, but they fail often (rural broadband? functional healthcare? prisons? education?). Arguably the government acts as a research incubator for new sectors, and I'm glad he turned them into functional everyday businesses that consumers can afford (well, except SpaceX). Zuck and Bezos also built off government research and funds... the transportation and communication networks. So what?

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > Zuck and Bezos also built off government research and funds... the transportation and communication networks. So what? Nope. AT&T built on top of governmental transportation and communication network, Zuck built on top of AT&T , his billions are less tainted because they are further removed from the horrendous practice of pointing guns at taxpayers heads to finance the centrally planned economic project du jour such as the Apollo rockets or the LHC or the Bubble telescope which won’t ever yield anything for the poor shmucks who financed it
- solardev 3y ago
  I see. I'm afraid I don't share your views on government projects or the purity of money.