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I guess what I am getting at is that, in this specific instance, I'm not sure there is anything to do. You either send it or not. It was polite, it was clear,

I guess what I am getting at is that, in this specific instance, I'm not sure there is anything to do. You either send it or not. It was polite, it was clear, and so on. Tonally, it was about as good as you can expect. So what is there to filter other than send/not-send?

robertlagrant 3y ago
I didn't mean I would literally filter the email into a shorter email. I just wouldn't send an email.
- at_a_remove 3y ago
  So, in this HR isn't getting any feedback because they've literally heard nothing but "Yay, you're the best!" for so long that any sense that they could do something, anything different is, comparatively, scathing and harsh criticism? This just raises so many more questions, like why bother your employee to consider the question and formulate anything if the feedback doesn't reach HR? I can imagine being someone who actually considered the question, took time to write and re-write something, another pass for clarity, a check to make sure that nothing was going to sound accusatory. Writing the email, sending it off, and hoping that the time I took away from my actual job to do this would result in even the chance of a change. But it doesn't, it goes into the round file, apparently. I don't know, I haven't had as many jobs as some people here, but I have been through all of those regime changes and heard "we want your feedback" over and over again, yet it never seems to go anywhere. I had months on a "strategic vision" committee where we were trying to formulate a mission statement by slurping up data, questions, and forms from employees, going through various iterations of it, but what came back had nothing to do with the content we had received. Is this always just an exercise in making HR feel good about themselves, then, without hope of any improvement?
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > So, in this HR isn't getting any feedback No, I said I wouldn't send it in an email. Somewhat ironically, I wrote it clearly, but you took it differently and built a large rant on that incorrect foundation. Next time I'll filter my comments on HN through my skip manager (-:
    - at_a_remove 3y ago
      Nah, that's neither large for me nor a rant. It's a few paragraphs on the ongoing disappointment I have with the lack of honest communication up against the requests for honest communication. It's the "Does this dress make me look fat?" feedback request from HR. I sometimes wonder what innovations would be required to make HR completely outsourceable.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        You can outsource HR. I don't think it would make much difference if your HR person is a permanent employee, a contractor, or a consultant working for another company. Certainly it's not obvious that a change in contractual relationship would address anything you've been complaining about.

robertlagrant 3y ago

I didn't mean I would literally filter the email into a shorter email. I just wouldn't send an email.

at_a_remove 3y ago
So, in this HR isn't getting any feedback because they've literally heard nothing but "Yay, you're the best!" for so long that any sense that they could do something, anything different is, comparatively, scathing and harsh criticism? This just raises so many more questions, like why bother your employee to consider the question and formulate anything if the feedback doesn't reach HR? I can imagine being someone who actually considered the question, took time to write and re-write something, another pass for clarity, a check to make sure that nothing was going to sound accusatory. Writing the email, sending it off, and hoping that the time I took away from my actual job to do this would result in even the chance of a change. But it doesn't, it goes into the round file, apparently. I don't know, I haven't had as many jobs as some people here, but I have been through all of those regime changes and heard "we want your feedback" over and over again, yet it never seems to go anywhere. I had months on a "strategic vision" committee where we were trying to formulate a mission statement by slurping up data, questions, and forms from employees, going through various iterations of it, but what came back had nothing to do with the content we had received. Is this always just an exercise in making HR feel good about themselves, then, without hope of any improvement?
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  > So, in this HR isn't getting any feedback No, I said I wouldn't send it in an email. Somewhat ironically, I wrote it clearly, but you took it differently and built a large rant on that incorrect foundation. Next time I'll filter my comments on HN through my skip manager (-:
  - at_a_remove 3y ago
    Nah, that's neither large for me nor a rant. It's a few paragraphs on the ongoing disappointment I have with the lack of honest communication up against the requests for honest communication. It's the "Does this dress make me look fat?" feedback request from HR. I sometimes wonder what innovations would be required to make HR completely outsourceable.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      You can outsource HR. I don't think it would make much difference if your HR person is a permanent employee, a contractor, or a consultant working for another company. Certainly it's not obvious that a change in contractual relationship would address anything you've been complaining about.