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This is basic editing functionality, a core part of the purpose of the application. You can call being able to edit a score "a feature," but it's hard to imagin

This is basic editing functionality, a core part of the purpose of the application. You can call being able to edit a score "a feature," but it's hard to imagine what is more fundamental to it.

cratermoon 3y ago
What alternative open-source, well-maintained, GUI-based engraving software that features this "basic editing functionality" would you recommend?
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  I would argue that this constitutes not well-maintained. It's not like the feature is being requested in an mp3 player, it's a music score editor that refuses to allow editing a music score. Even if there is no other better, so what? It doesn't make it valueless garbage either necessarily, and so I agree with the downvotes on the original comment. But this point by itself seems perfectly valid to me. "Well-maintained" definitely takes a ding to it's polish at the very least.
  - reikonomusha 3y ago
    The score can be edited just fine, though not in the way you're used to or prefer. It doesn't make your request or others' invalid, but it's simply wrong and preposterous to suggest that MuseScore doesn't allow scores to be edited.
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      Not me. I'm a bystander.
    - kazinator 3y ago
      An executable file in /usr/bin can be edited just fine, just not in the way you'd prefer. So much so that certain licenses can legally prevent you from redistributing that binary without source. How easy something is to edit matters --- so much so that legality can hinge on it.
ksenzee 3y ago
I’ve been using it for many years now and I’ve never found myself wanting to reorder notes by dragging them around. The difficulty (among others) is that dragging is reserved for small visual adjustments. If it were also capable of moving notes from one beat to another, people would find themselves trying to make a visual adjustment and suddenly moving their note to the next beat over. It doesn’t make any sense. Use note input mode instead of the mouse and you’ll have an easier time.
- kazinator 3y ago
  > I’ve never found myself wanting to reorder notes by dragging them around I cannot imagine using a program like MuseScore for anything other than composing original music, whose content is not known at the outset. Pretty much everyone who defends the MuseScore UI turns out to be more of a music typist. (And, sure, that is an entirely legitimate, necessary activity in professional music.) "Oh, give it a few weeks of learning, and you too will be transcribing existing music (for your whole orchestra even!) in a clean left-to-right pass whereby you don't have to go back and do anything more complicated than adjusting a wrong note pitch."
  - ksenzee 3y ago
    I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying, but I have been composing original music—not transcribing or “typing”—for many years in MuseScore. I do not use the mouse for note entry. I cannot imagine wanting to use the mouse for note entry. The computer keyboard in note entry mode is so much faster than clicking around with a mouse.
    - kazinator 3y ago
      Do you have any videos of you composing, or else someone else doing same using a very similar workflow? There must be some reason you are unimpeded, such as having excellent grasp of music notation? Like if you hear a syncopated rhythm in your head, or tap it out, do you know the exact rest values you need to insert to achieve it? If I'm doing it, I need to be able to take a stab at it, play it back, and easily adjust it as needed, like add another sixteenth rest here, and delete one there.

This is basic editing functionality, a core part of the purpose of the application. You can call being able to edit a score "a feature," but it's hard to imagine what is more fundamental to it.

cratermoon 3y ago

What alternative open-source, well-maintained, GUI-based engraving software that features this "basic editing functionality" would you recommend?

Brian_K_White 3y ago
I would argue that this constitutes not well-maintained. It's not like the feature is being requested in an mp3 player, it's a music score editor that refuses to allow editing a music score. Even if there is no other better, so what? It doesn't make it valueless garbage either necessarily, and so I agree with the downvotes on the original comment. But this point by itself seems perfectly valid to me. "Well-maintained" definitely takes a ding to it's polish at the very least.
- reikonomusha 3y ago
  The score can be edited just fine, though not in the way you're used to or prefer. It doesn't make your request or others' invalid, but it's simply wrong and preposterous to suggest that MuseScore doesn't allow scores to be edited.
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    Not me. I'm a bystander.
  - kazinator 3y ago
    An executable file in /usr/bin can be edited just fine, just not in the way you'd prefer. So much so that certain licenses can legally prevent you from redistributing that binary without source. How easy something is to edit matters --- so much so that legality can hinge on it.

ksenzee 3y ago

I’ve been using it for many years now and I’ve never found myself wanting to reorder notes by dragging them around. The difficulty (among others) is that dragging is reserved for small visual adjustments. If it were also capable of moving notes from one beat to another, people would find themselves trying to make a visual adjustment and suddenly moving their note to the next beat over. It doesn’t make any sense. Use note input mode instead of the mouse and you’ll have an easier time.

kazinator 3y ago
> I’ve never found myself wanting to reorder notes by dragging them around I cannot imagine using a program like MuseScore for anything other than composing original music, whose content is not known at the outset. Pretty much everyone who defends the MuseScore UI turns out to be more of a music typist. (And, sure, that is an entirely legitimate, necessary activity in professional music.) "Oh, give it a few weeks of learning, and you too will be transcribing existing music (for your whole orchestra even!) in a clean left-to-right pass whereby you don't have to go back and do anything more complicated than adjusting a wrong note pitch."
- ksenzee 3y ago
  I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying, but I have been composing original music—not transcribing or “typing”—for many years in MuseScore. I do not use the mouse for note entry. I cannot imagine wanting to use the mouse for note entry. The computer keyboard in note entry mode is so much faster than clicking around with a mouse.
  - kazinator 3y ago
    Do you have any videos of you composing, or else someone else doing same using a very similar workflow? There must be some reason you are unimpeded, such as having excellent grasp of music notation? Like if you hear a syncopated rhythm in your head, or tap it out, do you know the exact rest values you need to insert to achieve it? If I'm doing it, I need to be able to take a stab at it, play it back, and easily adjust it as needed, like add another sixteenth rest here, and delete one there.