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Zoom is just disappointed the ToS change went viral, and that their reputation is privacy friendly enough for that to even matter. I wonder if Teams would face

Zoom is just disappointed the ToS change went viral, and that their reputation is privacy friendly enough for that to even matter. I wonder if Teams would face similar uproar, assuming that bit isn't already in the ToS.

JohnFen 3y ago
> I wonder if Teams would face similar uproar, Maybe, but Teams is very good at ignoring uproars. While I assume that there are people who feel differently, everybody I know already loathes Teams and only uses it when their employer forces them to anyway.
- chefandy 3y ago
  Yeah— the scale of uproar MS would need to budge on something that affects their core business goals probably dwarfs the number of teams users aware enough to care by 100 to 1.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    The only thing that would get O365 out of companies would be if Microsoft started having a Hunger Games for CEOs
    - chefandy 3y ago
      And now that Balmer is gone, MS Sustenance Pro Executive Marketplace Edition will never get internal traction.
- codeflo 3y ago
  While that’s true, isn’t part of that due to Microsoft having enterprise-friendly licensing nailed down? I’d think that doing the equivalent of industrial espionage would remove Microsoft’s offerings from some industries extremely fast. (Corporate legal departments do read licensing terms!)
  - mlinhares 3y ago
    If by "enterprise-friendly licensing nailed down" you mean "it's free if you buy something else". People use it only because someone up the chain sees it's included in Office and they're like "we're not paying for something else if we get this for free". I hope Slack and others bring MS to court to stop this, this is exactly what happened during the browser wars.
- bradley13 3y ago
  I use Teams a lot, because it is (here, at least) pretty much the only such app that everyone knows. Meeting across groups or companies? Teams. Aside from the usual (and understandable) MS hate, I don't see the problem. Features and performance? Nothing else is better, most are worse. Cisco is a mess, Skype is horrible, Zoom lies about their security, etc, etc
  - walthamstow 3y ago
    Google Meet took a battering in the original Zoom TOS thread but it's the main video call software at my current job and I don't mind it. Teams and Zoom both completely suck. Meet is kind of just fine?
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      Teams is a mediocre chat app, but that's the status quo in the industry. It's pretty good at video calls
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > Nothing else is better, most are worse. Well, we have very different experiences with Teams. It's perhaps not the worst, but I think it's pretty bad in the sense that it's painful to use and gets in my way.
  - jacobr1 3y ago
    Slack is pretty good, and their new video huddles handle the use case of internal meetings very well.
bongoman37 3y ago
Microsoft culturally is extremely averse to using customer data for doing these kind of things. I was once talking to a Microsoft exec and he said that once the idea of using contextual ads in Hotmail was brought up (similar to Gmail), and it was shot down hard. The idea of using customer data (even non-paying ones) in this fashion was anathema. Microsoft makes its money from massive enterprise contracts which might be threatened by someone using your data to benefit your competitor in any way.
- dgb23 3y ago
  GitHub is owned by MS?
  - rolph 3y ago
    since 2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub https://fourweekmba.com/who-owns-github/ https://fourweekmba.com/who-owns-github/
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    This. It throws the idea that MS is extremely averse to using customer data for these sorts of things into great doubt, doesn't it?
costcofries 3y ago
Teams will use your O365 enterprise data to power it's AI 'copilot' offering, it's literally what its customers are asking for.

JohnFen 3y ago

> I wonder if Teams would face similar uproar, Maybe, but Teams is very good at ignoring uproars. While I assume that there are people who feel differently, everybody I know already loathes Teams and only uses it when their employer forces them to anyway.

chefandy 3y ago
Yeah— the scale of uproar MS would need to budge on something that affects their core business goals probably dwarfs the number of teams users aware enough to care by 100 to 1.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  The only thing that would get O365 out of companies would be if Microsoft started having a Hunger Games for CEOs
  - chefandy 3y ago
    And now that Balmer is gone, MS Sustenance Pro Executive Marketplace Edition will never get internal traction.
codeflo 3y ago
While that’s true, isn’t part of that due to Microsoft having enterprise-friendly licensing nailed down? I’d think that doing the equivalent of industrial espionage would remove Microsoft’s offerings from some industries extremely fast. (Corporate legal departments do read licensing terms!)
- mlinhares 3y ago
  If by "enterprise-friendly licensing nailed down" you mean "it's free if you buy something else". People use it only because someone up the chain sees it's included in Office and they're like "we're not paying for something else if we get this for free". I hope Slack and others bring MS to court to stop this, this is exactly what happened during the browser wars.
bradley13 3y ago
I use Teams a lot, because it is (here, at least) pretty much the only such app that everyone knows. Meeting across groups or companies? Teams. Aside from the usual (and understandable) MS hate, I don't see the problem. Features and performance? Nothing else is better, most are worse. Cisco is a mess, Skype is horrible, Zoom lies about their security, etc, etc
- walthamstow 3y ago
  Google Meet took a battering in the original Zoom TOS thread but it's the main video call software at my current job and I don't mind it. Teams and Zoom both completely suck. Meet is kind of just fine?
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Teams is a mediocre chat app, but that's the status quo in the industry. It's pretty good at video calls
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Nothing else is better, most are worse. Well, we have very different experiences with Teams. It's perhaps not the worst, but I think it's pretty bad in the sense that it's painful to use and gets in my way.
- jacobr1 3y ago
  Slack is pretty good, and their new video huddles handle the use case of internal meetings very well.

bongoman37 3y ago

Microsoft culturally is extremely averse to using customer data for doing these kind of things. I was once talking to a Microsoft exec and he said that once the idea of using contextual ads in Hotmail was brought up (similar to Gmail), and it was shot down hard. The idea of using customer data (even non-paying ones) in this fashion was anathema. Microsoft makes its money from massive enterprise contracts which might be threatened by someone using your data to benefit your competitor in any way.

dgb23 3y ago
GitHub is owned by MS?
- rolph 3y ago
  since 2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub https://fourweekmba.com/who-owns-github/ https://fourweekmba.com/who-owns-github/
- JohnFen 3y ago
  This. It throws the idea that MS is extremely averse to using customer data for these sorts of things into great doubt, doesn't it?

costcofries 3y ago

Teams will use your O365 enterprise data to power it's AI 'copilot' offering, it's literally what its customers are asking for.