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MuseScore = Fantastic market leading open source music notation package. MuseScore.com = Stage 4 cancer. It gives me some solace that the application will out

MuseScore = Fantastic market leading open source music notation package. MuseScore.com = Stage 4 cancer. It gives me some solace that the application will outlive the company. Perhaps if they themselves realized this, they would do a better job of stewardship for their community.

ravetcofx 3y ago
Has anyone attempted to fork the project?
- reikonomusha 3y ago
  MuseScore (the program) is well maintained and under the design helm of Martin Keary, who has absolutely turned the program around in the last few years. It's also an extraordinarily complex program requiring pretty elaborate means for helping its users, of which there's a huge variety. (Musicians, much like software engineers, make use of many different practices when it comes to writhing/transcribing/composing music.) It's not clear what benefits forking would accomplish, other than vague ideological ones from dissociating the software from its incumbent brand.
- gorkish 3y ago
  IMO the application itself is a tour de force of open source. I don't think anyone really wants to fork it. It's the ecosystem around the app that is awful. But yes, there are various projects to 'libre'-ate these portions of the community, though I don't personally have any experience with them. My own personal beef with them comes from when my middle school child wanted to learn some specific piece, and I thought "Oh I can probably get that done through this great OSS project I have been hearing a lot about the past couple of years. I should support them." Dear Reader, I made a terrible mistake.
ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
MuseScore is trash. You can't even reorder notes or rests by dragging them (and you'll get attacked if you ask about this in the forum): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlJdKP5SvAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlJdKP5SvAc We're talking about simply swapping the order of notes or rests in a measure, which doesn't change the number of beats or otherwise invalidate it. Keep downvoting, apologists.
- reikonomusha 3y ago
  I don't know if an extraordinarily complex GUI program that services a hundred different kinds of users lacking a single feature is enough to classify it as garbage. What alternative open-source, well-maintained, GUI-based engraving software would you recommend?
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    This is basic editing functionality, a core part of the purpose of the application. You can call being able to edit a score "a feature," but it's hard to imagine what is more fundamental to it.
    - cratermoon 3y ago
      What alternative open-source, well-maintained, GUI-based engraving software that features this "basic editing functionality" would you recommend?
      - Brian_K_White 3y ago
        I would argue that this constitutes not well-maintained. It's not like the feature is being requested in an mp3 player, it's a music score editor that refuses to allow editing a music score. Even if there is no other better, so what? It doesn't make it valueless garbage either necessarily, and so I agree with the downvotes on the original comment. But this point by itself seems perfectly valid to me. "Well-maintained" definitely takes a ding to it's polish at the very least.
        reikonomusha 3y ago
        The score can be edited just fine, though not in the way you're used to or prefer. It doesn't make your request or others' invalid, but it's simply wrong and preposterous to suggest that MuseScore doesn't allow scores to be edited.
m463 3y ago
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kmeisthax 3y ago
MuseScore is kind of incapable of doing any better. And I don't mean that just in a "this company is malicious and needs to be burned down to the ground" sense[0]. I mean it in the "they have a gun to their head" sense. So, it turns out that it's actually just kind of outright illegal to trade notation charts around. In fact, it's exactly as illegal as trading song recordings around. This is because music copyright has two souls: the copyright over the song itself and copyright over the individual recording of a performance of that song. And it turns out that creating a platform for trading notation charts around is a good way to get sued by the music industry. Ultimately, MuseScore got bought out by Ultimate Guitar. If you don't know them, they were just outright hosting guitar tab books, for money, which is arguably more illegal than what MuseScore was doing. But because they were so big and persistent about it they had enough leverage to actually negotiate a license rather than just get shut down[1]. So the end result is that now they're called Muse Group and MuseScore's online tab chart database has to treat everything as owned by a major label, to the chagrin of Touhou fans[2] and anyone else working with music that's actually licensed for free distribution. My personal opinion is that I don't think you could run this sort of business ethically, because musicians do not pay for shit. I'm also not entirely sure they could back out at this point - it might run counter to something in their settlement with the music labels. [0] The Tweet linked to in the original blog post of someone from MuseScore threatening to get someone deported over song piracy is evidence of that too - or it would be, except Hector Martin wisely nuked his Twitter once Musk took over. [1] This is also how Crunchyroll got started. [2] Which, coincidentally, is how Hector Martin went down the rabbit hole of documenting all of Muse Group's crimes against decency.
kazinator 3y ago
MuseScore = stupefyingly hard-to-use program geared toward transcribing previously notated music In MuseScore, you're all right if, before moving on to the next measure, you get the previous one correct so that you don't have to go back to edit anything. Those who say "you're using it wrong" or "you've not spent a few weeks learning it" invariably cite successes which land into the above use case.

ravetcofx 3y ago

Has anyone attempted to fork the project?

reikonomusha 3y ago
MuseScore (the program) is well maintained and under the design helm of Martin Keary, who has absolutely turned the program around in the last few years. It's also an extraordinarily complex program requiring pretty elaborate means for helping its users, of which there's a huge variety. (Musicians, much like software engineers, make use of many different practices when it comes to writhing/transcribing/composing music.) It's not clear what benefits forking would accomplish, other than vague ideological ones from dissociating the software from its incumbent brand.
gorkish 3y ago
IMO the application itself is a tour de force of open source. I don't think anyone really wants to fork it. It's the ecosystem around the app that is awful. But yes, there are various projects to 'libre'-ate these portions of the community, though I don't personally have any experience with them. My own personal beef with them comes from when my middle school child wanted to learn some specific piece, and I thought "Oh I can probably get that done through this great OSS project I have been hearing a lot about the past couple of years. I should support them." Dear Reader, I made a terrible mistake.

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago

MuseScore is trash. You can't even reorder notes or rests by dragging them (and you'll get attacked if you ask about this in the forum): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlJdKP5SvAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlJdKP5SvAc We're talking about simply swapping the order of notes or rests in a measure, which doesn't change the number of beats or otherwise invalidate it. Keep downvoting, apologists.

reikonomusha 3y ago
I don't know if an extraordinarily complex GUI program that services a hundred different kinds of users lacking a single feature is enough to classify it as garbage. What alternative open-source, well-maintained, GUI-based engraving software would you recommend?
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  This is basic editing functionality, a core part of the purpose of the application. You can call being able to edit a score "a feature," but it's hard to imagine what is more fundamental to it.
  - cratermoon 3y ago
    What alternative open-source, well-maintained, GUI-based engraving software that features this "basic editing functionality" would you recommend?
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      I would argue that this constitutes not well-maintained. It's not like the feature is being requested in an mp3 player, it's a music score editor that refuses to allow editing a music score. Even if there is no other better, so what? It doesn't make it valueless garbage either necessarily, and so I agree with the downvotes on the original comment. But this point by itself seems perfectly valid to me. "Well-maintained" definitely takes a ding to it's polish at the very least.
      - reikonomusha 3y ago
        The score can be edited just fine, though not in the way you're used to or prefer. It doesn't make your request or others' invalid, but it's simply wrong and preposterous to suggest that MuseScore doesn't allow scores to be edited.

m463 3y ago

that - not in the same way - reminds me of a similar pair of web pages: https://hackertyper.net https://hackertyper.net - nice https://hackertyper.com https://hackertyper.com - sociopathic corruption of ad links

kmeisthax 3y ago

MuseScore is kind of incapable of doing any better. And I don't mean that just in a "this company is malicious and needs to be burned down to the ground" sense[0]. I mean it in the "they have a gun to their head" sense. So, it turns out that it's actually just kind of outright illegal to trade notation charts around. In fact, it's exactly as illegal as trading song recordings around. This is because music copyright has two souls: the copyright over the song itself and copyright over the individual recording of a performance of that song. And it turns out that creating a platform for trading notation charts around is a good way to get sued by the music industry. Ultimately, MuseScore got bought out by Ultimate Guitar. If you don't know them, they were just outright hosting guitar tab books, for money, which is arguably more illegal than what MuseScore was doing. But because they were so big and persistent about it they had enough leverage to actually negotiate a license rather than just get shut down[1]. So the end result is that now they're called Muse Group and MuseScore's online tab chart database has to treat everything as owned by a major label, to the chagrin of Touhou fans[2] and anyone else working with music that's actually licensed for free distribution. My personal opinion is that I don't think you could run this sort of business ethically, because musicians do not pay for shit. I'm also not entirely sure they could back out at this point - it might run counter to something in their settlement with the music labels. [0] The Tweet linked to in the original blog post of someone from MuseScore threatening to get someone deported over song piracy is evidence of that too - or it would be, except Hector Martin wisely nuked his Twitter once Musk took over. [1] This is also how Crunchyroll got started. [2] Which, coincidentally, is how Hector Martin went down the rabbit hole of documenting all of Muse Group's crimes against decency.

kazinator 3y ago

MuseScore = stupefyingly hard-to-use program geared toward transcribing previously notated music In MuseScore, you're all right if, before moving on to the next measure, you get the previous one correct so that you don't have to go back to edit anything. Those who say "you're using it wrong" or "you've not spent a few weeks learning it" invariably cite successes which land into the above use case.