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>By the time they gave up on this effort, it was too late to prevent the crash even by breaking the rules. There was too little time. And I imagine it is hard
by dav_Oz 3y ago
>By the time they gave up on this effort, it was too late to prevent the crash even by breaking the rules.
There was too little time. And I imagine it is hard to be that quick and lucid in breaking the rules of ATC.
Edit: I've looked it up and according to this article [0] there was only an informal agreement between Skyguide and the German counterpart DFS regarding this border region. Since ultimately only Germany is solely responsible for their airspace no such an agreement can exist and therefore the federal government (Bund) is partly to blame for the accident.
Indeed the controllers in Karlsruhe had the obligation to intervene asap even without informing the Swiss counterpart but they were instructed otherwise although there had been no legally binding transfer of the sovereign task ("weil es keine rechtlich verbindliche Übertragung der hoheitlichen Aufgabe gegeben habe"); so this was illegal. In both cases a management issue.
[0]https://www.dw.com/de/deutschland-haftet-f%C3%BCr-fehler-der-schweizer-flugsicherung/a-2111635 https://www.dw.com/de/deutschland-haftet-f%C3%BCr-fehler-der...
- avar 3y ago> so this was illegal. > In both cases a management > issue. I think attempting to call the other ATC 11 (!) times in the span of a couple of minutes before the crash goes way beyond a management issue, it's also a cultural issue. Those controllers were looking at a screen showing that two airplanes were about to crash into one another. In most other western countries that person would have thought "well, fuck this!" and started yelling at them on the channel itself, implied procedures, stepping on toes, and pecking order be damned.