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Eh it's all just Lies and Statistics. It's like how 'non drinkers' die earlier than those who lightly drink. But no one who reports it writes the next sentence

Eh it's all just Lies and Statistics. It's like how 'non drinkers' die earlier than those who lightly drink. But no one who reports it writes the next sentence to explain that, non drinkers include people who don't drink to manage chronic health conditions and thus skew things with their ill health making it seem like alcohol is required to be healthy. I suspect in the future death by choice, in a palliative setting may go up. Though with the current waves of deregulation, maybe we're headed for more industrial accidents. But as for the article. Places that are high up, are cold and isolated and people are social beings.

joncrocks 3y ago
Also includes people that are/were alcoholics and so _now_ don't drink.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >Also includes people that are/were alcoholics and so _now_ don't drink. Does it? Can you link to the study?
itsoktocry 3y ago
>But no one who reports it writes the next sentence to explain that, non drinkers include people who don't drink to manage chronic health conditions and thus skew things with their ill health making it seem like alcohol is required to be healthy. Can you point to the study that makes this claim without controlling for other health issues? Otherwise, you're just making stuff up, which is worse than what you accuse the scientists of.
- SpaceLawnmower 3y ago
  This study seems to be a pretty important one (cited by Harvard in a blog post about alcohol's effects on health). It doesn't necessarily go into preexisting health conditions beyond broad markers like BMI, smoking, and cancer history. It says one of the limitations of the study is that it doesn't account for socioeconomic status, which is probably correlated with general health (can't afford as much alcohol if you're poor and you age less healthily). https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002585 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...

joncrocks 3y ago

Also includes people that are/were alcoholics and so _now_ don't drink.

itsoktocry 3y ago
>Also includes people that are/were alcoholics and so _now_ don't drink. Does it? Can you link to the study?

itsoktocry 3y ago

>But no one who reports it writes the next sentence to explain that, non drinkers include people who don't drink to manage chronic health conditions and thus skew things with their ill health making it seem like alcohol is required to be healthy. Can you point to the study that makes this claim without controlling for other health issues? Otherwise, you're just making stuff up, which is worse than what you accuse the scientists of.

SpaceLawnmower 3y ago
This study seems to be a pretty important one (cited by Harvard in a blog post about alcohol's effects on health). It doesn't necessarily go into preexisting health conditions beyond broad markers like BMI, smoking, and cancer history. It says one of the limitations of the study is that it doesn't account for socioeconomic status, which is probably correlated with general health (can't afford as much alcohol if you're poor and you age less healthily). https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002585 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jo...