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When you do steal them back, let us know, because some of those artifacts the Europeans stole from you actually belong to my tribe, which your tribe stole from

When you do steal them back, let us know, because some of those artifacts the Europeans stole from you actually belong to my tribe, which your tribe stole from us. Just waiting for you to steal them back from the Euros so we can steal them back from you, lol. P.S. some of the artifacts you stole from us originally belonged to one of our neighbor tribes, who we stole them from, but as far as I'm concerned they should be ours. Let's just keep that between you and me though! Lol.

throwawayss 3y ago
Instead of saying that rightful owners should get their artifacts you have down the bs route. In the real world developing world is getting stronger and Europe is weakening. That tells you what's in the store sooner or later
- myrmidon 3y ago
  I have no idea what country you are even talking about, but why would a modern state have any claim on things that were sold away before it even came into existence? If I sell stuff overseas, does "rightful ownership" return to the nation I lived in as soon as it becomes historically interesting? So all of Picassos work is now the property of Spain? That notion is ridiculous and unworkable.
  - throwawayss 3y ago
    Returning stolen stuff back is an opportunity for Europe to earn trust back. Regardless of the choice they end up where they belong in one way or another. China hired thieves to take back looted art from France museum few years ago.
  - morby 3y ago
    If the sale was legitimate sure. But there is a long, proven history of fraudulent sales and straight theft. In those (numerous) instances would it not behoove the recipient to return them? There are some people here saying “the people who made them are dead”. Which I imagine is an argument for “nobody actually owns them”. Which is a myopic view. The cultural heritage of a region should be able to be enjoyed by the people of that region. Imagine if major artifacts of American, or British (or wherever you are from) history were lost to another far away land and you had no opportunity to marvel at them, how might you feel? That said, there is something to the notion of borrowing and “tours” of artifacts, so people of the world can also enjoy them.

throwawayss 3y ago

Instead of saying that rightful owners should get their artifacts you have down the bs route. In the real world developing world is getting stronger and Europe is weakening. That tells you what's in the store sooner or later

myrmidon 3y ago
I have no idea what country you are even talking about, but why would a modern state have any claim on things that were sold away before it even came into existence? If I sell stuff overseas, does "rightful ownership" return to the nation I lived in as soon as it becomes historically interesting? So all of Picassos work is now the property of Spain? That notion is ridiculous and unworkable.
- throwawayss 3y ago
  Returning stolen stuff back is an opportunity for Europe to earn trust back. Regardless of the choice they end up where they belong in one way or another. China hired thieves to take back looted art from France museum few years ago.
- morby 3y ago
  If the sale was legitimate sure. But there is a long, proven history of fraudulent sales and straight theft. In those (numerous) instances would it not behoove the recipient to return them? There are some people here saying “the people who made them are dead”. Which I imagine is an argument for “nobody actually owns them”. Which is a myopic view. The cultural heritage of a region should be able to be enjoyed by the people of that region. Imagine if major artifacts of American, or British (or wherever you are from) history were lost to another far away land and you had no opportunity to marvel at them, how might you feel? That said, there is something to the notion of borrowing and “tours” of artifacts, so people of the world can also enjoy them.