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Google IPv6 stats (approaching 50%, ever so slowly): https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

by tux3 3y ago

gemstones 3y ago
At the rate of 50% support every 20 years, I guess we can expect that ipv6 will be a suitable default in… 2043? Kidding, but also kinda not. We should make ipv7 which is just ipv6 but the extra bytes go in an expanded header, like the author suggests.
- exitheone 3y ago
  Zooming in a bit will tell you that we got from 30% to >45% adoption in 3 years I think that's a pretty good trajectory all things considered.
  - mort96 3y ago
    In order to predict how bad the long tail will be though we should ideally look at the graphs broken down by network type. Does the increase just represent a switch from people using their residential ISP connection for everything to people using their cell connection more, or does it actually reflect residential connections moving from v4 to v6?
    - maccard 3y ago
      The only way to break the long tail is regulation or forced updates. If you're at 95% rollout, it's fairly likely the last 5% of holdouts won't do it willingly, so they need the stick.
      - mort96 3y ago
        I would definitely support regulation here, especially regulation forcing ISPs to provide v6. That would at least take care of one large part of the problem.
dgellow 3y ago
Nice graphs. The “per-country” ones are interesting, France and Germany are doing surprisingly good here.
- oritsnile 3y ago
  I've noticed too would have expected that some not as developed countries would dominate ipv6 since Germany and France have about five times more v4 addresses then India.
- lloeki 3y ago
  France has recent reports of IPv6 deployment. There's been a huge political push for modernising the country infrastructure to stay competitive in the global tech space, which included: - FTTH everywhere (even in remote areas) with provisions to ensure competition and eliminate ISP lock in (which happened in the cable days, lessons were learned) - tracking IPv6 deployment, publishing detailed yearly reports of status and plans, and pressuring ISPs - mandating IPv6 if a mobile operator wanted a 5G license Net result is you can basically assume that IPv6 is there except in increasingly rare cases (90-99% except one laggard). IPv6 just works, and is a freaking breath of fresh air in a world of double NAT and CGNAT. I've been on IPv6 for over a decade with both simple and complex scenarios, and every bit of IPv6 is just flat out better than IPv4 in my experience. I wrote a lengthy comment a month ago regarding the ARCEP IPv6 report: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36788130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36788130
- spaceprison 3y ago
  My impression with France was Reme Despres and Orange did a lot to make transition and adoption happen.
throw0101b 3y ago
> approaching 50% Worldwide. For the US specifically it's 52%: * https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...
threesevenths 3y ago
I believe a lot of this traffic is from mobile devices on networks where cellular carriers do have a good incentive to roll out IPv6 and mobile phones have good support for it. I would like to see google break this down by desktop / mobile traffic to see how much penetration traditional ISPs have. My ISP has IPv6 support and address space but refuses to roll it out to customers, I suspect due to the support issues it will create. V6 addresses are not friendly. Four numbers is east to communicate, easy to enter, and easy to spot even for a non technical person. V6 is more difficult and variable length which is harder to explain to your grandparents. I also think there is something to be said about people with dyslexia and how the numbers are perceived by them. And there will be lots of support needed to roll this out to home routers with various levels of support and bugs, needing to enable firewalls at the device level instead of at the router, all of the IoT devices with just enough processing power to send an up address on a half baked networking stack. It’s still a massive uphill battle. And yes, I know there are solutions to all of these issues, it’s just getting them out there.
- eru 3y ago
  > V6 addresses are not friendly. Four numbers is east to communicate, easy to enter, and easy to spot even for a non technical person. V6 is more difficult and variable length which is harder to explain to your grandparents. I also think there is something to be said about people with dyslexia and how the numbers are perceived by them. URL's don't have a fixed length, so I'm not sure variable length is significant barrier to adoption by itself? Phone numbers also have variable lengths.
  - threesevenths 3y ago
    > Phone numbers also have variable lengths. Yes in many parts of the world you are correct. In North America, phone numbers are all 10 digits prefixed with a 1 for long distance. > URL's don't have a fixed length, so I'm not sure variable length is significant barrier to adoption by itself? URLs tend to be a word or phrase that can be communicated. You tend to have to just say google dot com not gee oh oh gee el ee dot cee oh em.
pvitz 3y ago
If you zoom in on the graph, you can see oscillatory behaviour / noise. Would anyone know where this is coming from? It is almost like they are measuring an analogue signal and have a 50/60Hz hum on it... Edit: I just remembered seeing something similar related to rounding a floating point signal once. Maybe that is the reason behind it. Edit 2: Peaks seem to fall on Saturdays, so maybe this corresponds to people turning on their computers/routers at home more often on the weekend.
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- Symbiote 3y ago
  Work/office (more likely IPv4) vs. home (more likely IPv6). (At least as I've heard it explained before. But it could be a large country with high adoption like India swaying the statistics.)
  - pvitz 3y ago
    Yes, this looks quite likely given the peaks consistently on Saturdays (at least at the end of the series where I checked it).
- bobnamob 3y ago
  Looks diurnal to me. Maybe the US coming online given the geo breakdown below that graph
  - amalcon 3y ago
    It's more likely India than the US. They have a moderately higher adoption rate and a lot more people.
- jcranmer 3y ago
  If you really zoom in, you can see the general pattern: it is highest on a Saturday, and low on Monday-Thursday, with Friday and Sunday in intermediate positions. Furthermore, the troughs get noticeably higher between November and December. Finally, the troughs got a big, sudden boost in March 2020 that takes several months to slowly "recover". What other behavior follows that pattern? It's reflective of work-in-office patterns--IPv6 penetration is much lower in business settings than in residential (or mobile) settings.

Google IPv6 stats (approaching 50%, ever so slowly): https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

by tux3 3y ago

Google IPv6 stats (approaching 50%, ever so slowly): https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

gemstones 3y ago

At the rate of 50% support every 20 years, I guess we can expect that ipv6 will be a suitable default in… 2043? Kidding, but also kinda not. We should make ipv7 which is just ipv6 but the extra bytes go in an expanded header, like the author suggests.

exitheone 3y ago
Zooming in a bit will tell you that we got from 30% to >45% adoption in 3 years I think that's a pretty good trajectory all things considered.
- mort96 3y ago
  In order to predict how bad the long tail will be though we should ideally look at the graphs broken down by network type. Does the increase just represent a switch from people using their residential ISP connection for everything to people using their cell connection more, or does it actually reflect residential connections moving from v4 to v6?
  - maccard 3y ago
    The only way to break the long tail is regulation or forced updates. If you're at 95% rollout, it's fairly likely the last 5% of holdouts won't do it willingly, so they need the stick.
    - mort96 3y ago
      I would definitely support regulation here, especially regulation forcing ISPs to provide v6. That would at least take care of one large part of the problem.

dgellow 3y ago

Nice graphs. The “per-country” ones are interesting, France and Germany are doing surprisingly good here.

oritsnile 3y ago
I've noticed too would have expected that some not as developed countries would dominate ipv6 since Germany and France have about five times more v4 addresses then India.
lloeki 3y ago
France has recent reports of IPv6 deployment. There's been a huge political push for modernising the country infrastructure to stay competitive in the global tech space, which included: - FTTH everywhere (even in remote areas) with provisions to ensure competition and eliminate ISP lock in (which happened in the cable days, lessons were learned) - tracking IPv6 deployment, publishing detailed yearly reports of status and plans, and pressuring ISPs - mandating IPv6 if a mobile operator wanted a 5G license Net result is you can basically assume that IPv6 is there except in increasingly rare cases (90-99% except one laggard). IPv6 just works, and is a freaking breath of fresh air in a world of double NAT and CGNAT. I've been on IPv6 for over a decade with both simple and complex scenarios, and every bit of IPv6 is just flat out better than IPv4 in my experience. I wrote a lengthy comment a month ago regarding the ARCEP IPv6 report: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36788130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36788130
spaceprison 3y ago
My impression with France was Reme Despres and Orange did a lot to make transition and adoption happen.

throw0101b 3y ago

> approaching 50% Worldwide. For the US specifically it's 52%: * https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...

threesevenths 3y ago

I believe a lot of this traffic is from mobile devices on networks where cellular carriers do have a good incentive to roll out IPv6 and mobile phones have good support for it. I would like to see google break this down by desktop / mobile traffic to see how much penetration traditional ISPs have. My ISP has IPv6 support and address space but refuses to roll it out to customers, I suspect due to the support issues it will create. V6 addresses are not friendly. Four numbers is east to communicate, easy to enter, and easy to spot even for a non technical person. V6 is more difficult and variable length which is harder to explain to your grandparents. I also think there is something to be said about people with dyslexia and how the numbers are perceived by them. And there will be lots of support needed to roll this out to home routers with various levels of support and bugs, needing to enable firewalls at the device level instead of at the router, all of the IoT devices with just enough processing power to send an up address on a half baked networking stack. It’s still a massive uphill battle. And yes, I know there are solutions to all of these issues, it’s just getting them out there.

eru 3y ago
> V6 addresses are not friendly. Four numbers is east to communicate, easy to enter, and easy to spot even for a non technical person. V6 is more difficult and variable length which is harder to explain to your grandparents. I also think there is something to be said about people with dyslexia and how the numbers are perceived by them. URL's don't have a fixed length, so I'm not sure variable length is significant barrier to adoption by itself? Phone numbers also have variable lengths.
- threesevenths 3y ago
  > Phone numbers also have variable lengths. Yes in many parts of the world you are correct. In North America, phone numbers are all 10 digits prefixed with a 1 for long distance. > URL's don't have a fixed length, so I'm not sure variable length is significant barrier to adoption by itself? URLs tend to be a word or phrase that can be communicated. You tend to have to just say google dot com not gee oh oh gee el ee dot cee oh em.

pvitz 3y ago

If you zoom in on the graph, you can see oscillatory behaviour / noise. Would anyone know where this is coming from? It is almost like they are measuring an analogue signal and have a 50/60Hz hum on it... Edit: I just remembered seeing something similar related to rounding a floating point signal once. Maybe that is the reason behind it. Edit 2: Peaks seem to fall on Saturdays, so maybe this corresponds to people turning on their computers/routers at home more often on the weekend.

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Symbiote 3y ago
Work/office (more likely IPv4) vs. home (more likely IPv6). (At least as I've heard it explained before. But it could be a large country with high adoption like India swaying the statistics.)
- pvitz 3y ago
  Yes, this looks quite likely given the peaks consistently on Saturdays (at least at the end of the series where I checked it).
bobnamob 3y ago
Looks diurnal to me. Maybe the US coming online given the geo breakdown below that graph
- amalcon 3y ago
  It's more likely India than the US. They have a moderately higher adoption rate and a lot more people.
jcranmer 3y ago
If you really zoom in, you can see the general pattern: it is highest on a Saturday, and low on Monday-Thursday, with Friday and Sunday in intermediate positions. Furthermore, the troughs get noticeably higher between November and December. Finally, the troughs got a big, sudden boost in March 2020 that takes several months to slowly "recover". What other behavior follows that pattern? It's reflective of work-in-office patterns--IPv6 penetration is much lower in business settings than in residential (or mobile) settings.