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America has taxation.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Yes? and The US also has regulations. And Republicans argue that both are socialism. Half of the country thinks "anything the government does is socialism" and campaigns to stop it, or get rid of it, or handicaps it, or how it is just evil and control. Basically to the right: 'government' = 'socialism'. And they haven't realized yet they are arguing for anarchy.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  >"anything the government does is socialism" I thought republicans wanted to strengthen borders? I do not follow US politics, but I never heard anyone advocating that taxation should be abolished. Seems a bizarre claim. Here in Germany parties publish the platforms they are running on, is there something similar in the US?
  - defrost 3y ago
    US Libertarians are against taxation and government https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-dont-waste-time-investigating-irs-abolish-it-now-along-with/ https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-don... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft
    - constantcrying 3y ago
      Are the Libertarians and the republicans the same party?
      - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        Lot of crossover. Libertarians typically don't get a candidate into the election, so they end up voting Republican. In the Venn Diagram, Libertarians are a sub-set of Republicans. Republican views are also administration dependent. If there is a Democratic President then Republicans think government is evil, socialist and place a high value on reducing the debt, reducing the size of government. But if a Republican is president, then debt no longer matters, increasing spending on defense, walls, and having a 'strong government of law and order' is the priority. So debt is ok, and the bigger the gov the better. It's a bit schizophrenic.
        constantcrying 3y ago
        Seems not that relevant to the subject.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        You asked? So it was relevant as an answer to the question. But, agree, not relevant to the original story. Just a little. The original story was about 'elites'. In the US, any conversation on that subject gets wrapped up in different opinions on who the 'elite's are, and if they are Socialist. One side thinks the 'elite's are Socialist, the other side think the 'elite's are corporate CEO's. This thread digressed to the discussion of Socialism (not the academic definition), and I was just following along with that tangent.
        constantcrying 3y ago
        >You asked? About the republicans calling taxation socialism. Zero evidence of that.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        US Libertarians are against taxation and government They are Republicans. https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-don https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-don... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft
        constantcrying 3y ago
        >They are Republicans. Then it should be trvial to link to a republucan publication/website/statemrent claiming the same thing. To be honest I think you are just making stuff up.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago

Yes? and The US also has regulations. And Republicans argue that both are socialism. Half of the country thinks "anything the government does is socialism" and campaigns to stop it, or get rid of it, or handicaps it, or how it is just evil and control. Basically to the right: 'government' = 'socialism'. And they haven't realized yet they are arguing for anarchy.

constantcrying 3y ago
>"anything the government does is socialism" I thought republicans wanted to strengthen borders? I do not follow US politics, but I never heard anyone advocating that taxation should be abolished. Seems a bizarre claim. Here in Germany parties publish the platforms they are running on, is there something similar in the US?
- defrost 3y ago
  US Libertarians are against taxation and government https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-dont-waste-time-investigating-irs-abolish-it-now-along-with/ https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-don... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    Are the Libertarians and the republicans the same party?
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      Lot of crossover. Libertarians typically don't get a candidate into the election, so they end up voting Republican. In the Venn Diagram, Libertarians are a sub-set of Republicans. Republican views are also administration dependent. If there is a Democratic President then Republicans think government is evil, socialist and place a high value on reducing the debt, reducing the size of government. But if a Republican is president, then debt no longer matters, increasing spending on defense, walls, and having a 'strong government of law and order' is the priority. So debt is ok, and the bigger the gov the better. It's a bit schizophrenic.
      - constantcrying 3y ago
        Seems not that relevant to the subject.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        You asked? So it was relevant as an answer to the question. But, agree, not relevant to the original story. Just a little. The original story was about 'elites'. In the US, any conversation on that subject gets wrapped up in different opinions on who the 'elite's are, and if they are Socialist. One side thinks the 'elite's are Socialist, the other side think the 'elite's are corporate CEO's. This thread digressed to the discussion of Socialism (not the academic definition), and I was just following along with that tangent.
        constantcrying 3y ago
        >You asked? About the republicans calling taxation socialism. Zero evidence of that.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        US Libertarians are against taxation and government They are Republicans. https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/ https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-don https://www.lp.org/news-press-releases-libertarian-party-don... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft
        constantcrying 3y ago
        >They are Republicans. Then it should be trvial to link to a republucan publication/website/statemrent claiming the same thing. To be honest I think you are just making stuff up.
        FrustratedMonky 3y ago