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> On the other hand, Germany is about to dramatically lower the residence permit and citizenship requirements, as it panicks about its aging population. This mi

by mmarq 3y ago

> On the other hand, Germany is about to dramatically lower the residence permit and citizenship requirements, as it panicks about its aging population. This might further depress the wages. The immigration system in Germany is peculiarly hostile, getting visas is very hard, interacting with the local bureaucracy is a nightmare, there are so many catch-22 that either you pay an agency or… God knows how they do it. If you are not an EU citizen, it may take months to complete all the paperwork even to the perfect immigrant. Streamlining this system and lowering the requirements for a skilled visa won’t hurt anybody, it would just make the lives of some people less miserable. Consider that Germany has an almost endless reservoir of potential immigrants in southern Europe (and to some extent in Turkey), it has been there for the past decades and salaries keep going up.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
> getting visas is very hard Compared to US visas, it's a walk in the park. >Streamlining this system and lowering the requirements for a skilled visa won’t hurt anybody It will defiantly hurt the housing market because Germany doesn't build enough.
- mmarq 3y ago
  But the entire world wants to go to the US, Germany is not that attractive. The population is getting older and they need more young people in order to support their standards of living and to care for the ageing population. So either they get more people and house them somehow, or they will have to accept that there won't be enough working people to support the country with their work. Another option, and I'm being sarcastic here, is to destroy the healthcare system like the Conservative government is doing in the UK and hope that eventually life expectancy will drop.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >But the entire world wants to go to the US, Germany is not that attractive. Germany, along with UK, Canada, AU, NZ, is attractive for all those for whom a US visa is out of reach, a.k.a. almost everyone. Most international workers who can't get into US, go for the next best thing which is those countries. The difference is US is better at absorbing more immigrants due to already being a melting pot and being the country with the fastest growing economy due to VC funding so importing more workers means more fuel on the fire. VC funding is almost non-existent in most of those other countries so importing more workers in a stagnat economy, means just wage suppression and increasing housing costs.

by mmarq 3y ago

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

> getting visas is very hard Compared to US visas, it's a walk in the park. >Streamlining this system and lowering the requirements for a skilled visa won’t hurt anybody It will defiantly hurt the housing market because Germany doesn't build enough.

mmarq 3y ago
But the entire world wants to go to the US, Germany is not that attractive. The population is getting older and they need more young people in order to support their standards of living and to care for the ageing population. So either they get more people and house them somehow, or they will have to accept that there won't be enough working people to support the country with their work. Another option, and I'm being sarcastic here, is to destroy the healthcare system like the Conservative government is doing in the UK and hope that eventually life expectancy will drop.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >But the entire world wants to go to the US, Germany is not that attractive. Germany, along with UK, Canada, AU, NZ, is attractive for all those for whom a US visa is out of reach, a.k.a. almost everyone. Most international workers who can't get into US, go for the next best thing which is those countries. The difference is US is better at absorbing more immigrants due to already being a melting pot and being the country with the fastest growing economy due to VC funding so importing more workers means more fuel on the fire. VC funding is almost non-existent in most of those other countries so importing more workers in a stagnat economy, means just wage suppression and increasing housing costs.