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> Possibly, but it's pretty hard/impossible for Russians who might be good in geopolitics/public administration/etc. to rise to a position where anybody would b

> Possibly, but it's pretty hard/impossible for Russians who might be good in geopolitics/public administration/etc. to rise to a position where anybody would be willing to listen to them. The U.S. or any other behemoth corporation is no different, rendering this argument meaningless. Why is it that, in a country of 300 million people, there are only a handful of individuals to choose from for the presidency, and they often come from the same families as before? (rhetorical) > Good because Russia is the opposite of a 'sane' country. There is nothing commendable about disrupting the lives of others for personal gain. There are some western countries with practices much more questionable than Russia; this became evident during the COVID-19 measures. Some countries seemingly simulated concentration camps for their citizens without delivering actual benefits, unlike Russia. > U.S. government does allow people to openly criticize its policies There is a considerable amount of open criticism in Russia, and individuals are not being incarcerated or silenced for it. However, when someone engages in double-dealing, harming their own people for personal gain, it is labeled as betrayal just like in U.S., or any other stable power structure.

pastacacioepepe 3y ago
> Why is it that, in a country of 300 million people, there are only a handful of individuals to choose from for the presidency, and they often come from the same families as before? (rhetorical) Couldn't have said it any better! People, especially USAers, should really learn how things work at home before talking about how bad the situation is somewhere else in the world. Not only people with access to presidency/government mostly come from the same group of families, or caste, they also share the core political views, differences are mostly cosmetic. This is true not just of USA but of most other western democratic countries. You can't outvote capitalist imperialism in the west. The game is rigged with modern and effective propaganda, but if it looks like you're going to win anyway then they throw democracy away and switch to fascism and terrorism. See "Operation Gladio"[0] for an example of how this works, or see the countless coups orchestrated by western countries to protect the status quo. .0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
- qwytw 3y ago
  Why are you posting this on this site? Haven't you read the guidelines?
  - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
    I did. Have you? Because you're breaking the guidelines. Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did. Judging from your comments, you clearly have a political opinion and you push for it often. Doesn't that behavior break the guidelines as well? Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.
qwytw 3y ago
> There is a considerable amount of open criticism in Russia, and individuals are not being incarcerated or silenced for it. Just like that father of a schoolgirl who drew antiwar drawings at school and had the impudence to criticize the government after the (scum) principal decided to call the police on her? Really? What about other people who've been sentenced for years for doing absolutely nothing but sharing their (quite mild opinions) on the war. > There is a considerable amount of open criticism in Russia, From fascist imperialist who think that putin is not murdering enough people. Sure. As long as they they say out loud the open secret that he's utterly incompetent. But no there isn't and there can't be. I bet you would've also have said that the USSR was a democracy and had freedom of speech? > harming their own people for personal gain If that was the case Putin and his cronies would've faced the firing squad years ago. > The U.S. or any other behemoth corporation is no different, rendering this argument meaningless. Come on... You can't just say "{RANDOM_COMPLETELY_NONSENSICAL_THING_} therefore you'r argument is meaningless" and expect anyone to take it seriously? I'm just not quite sure why are you feeling compelled to share you ideas here? It's not like anything you say could make any sense to anyone who isn't a deranged pseudo-fascist...
- donottell 3y ago
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  - qwytw 3y ago
    I'm not American.. Also the USSR for instance was objective more imperialist than the US. Arguably not on par the Great Britain of course, although it's debatable.. However considering the disproportional military and economical power US has wielded over the last 80 years it was exceptionally benign compared to almost all other historical global or local superpowers. > nazi style antirussian propaganda lol.. ok. You know that calling everyone nazis while actually behaving like nazis isn't worth much? Then again psychological projection seems to be deeply cultural ingrained in Russia at this point... Putin's Russia is almost literally Mussolini's Italy in most ways (economically/politically/militarily) just with more corruption and with everyone looking depressed and with less feathers on hats.

pastacacioepepe 3y ago

> Why is it that, in a country of 300 million people, there are only a handful of individuals to choose from for the presidency, and they often come from the same families as before? (rhetorical) Couldn't have said it any better! People, especially USAers, should really learn how things work at home before talking about how bad the situation is somewhere else in the world. Not only people with access to presidency/government mostly come from the same group of families, or caste, they also share the core political views, differences are mostly cosmetic. This is true not just of USA but of most other western democratic countries. You can't outvote capitalist imperialism in the west. The game is rigged with modern and effective propaganda, but if it looks like you're going to win anyway then they throw democracy away and switch to fascism and terrorism. See "Operation Gladio"[0] for an example of how this works, or see the countless coups orchestrated by western countries to protect the status quo. .0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

qwytw 3y ago
Why are you posting this on this site? Haven't you read the guidelines?
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago
  I did. Have you? Because you're breaking the guidelines. Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did. Judging from your comments, you clearly have a political opinion and you push for it often. Doesn't that behavior break the guidelines as well? Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.

qwytw 3y ago

> There is a considerable amount of open criticism in Russia, and individuals are not being incarcerated or silenced for it. Just like that father of a schoolgirl who drew antiwar drawings at school and had the impudence to criticize the government after the (scum) principal decided to call the police on her? Really? What about other people who've been sentenced for years for doing absolutely nothing but sharing their (quite mild opinions) on the war. > There is a considerable amount of open criticism in Russia, From fascist imperialist who think that putin is not murdering enough people. Sure. As long as they they say out loud the open secret that he's utterly incompetent. But no there isn't and there can't be. I bet you would've also have said that the USSR was a democracy and had freedom of speech? > harming their own people for personal gain If that was the case Putin and his cronies would've faced the firing squad years ago. > The U.S. or any other behemoth corporation is no different, rendering this argument meaningless. Come on... You can't just say "{RANDOM_COMPLETELY_NONSENSICAL_THING_} therefore you'r argument is meaningless" and expect anyone to take it seriously? I'm just not quite sure why are you feeling compelled to share you ideas here? It's not like anything you say could make any sense to anyone who isn't a deranged pseudo-fascist...

donottell 3y ago
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- dralley 3y ago
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- qwytw 3y ago
  I'm not American.. Also the USSR for instance was objective more imperialist than the US. Arguably not on par the Great Britain of course, although it's debatable.. However considering the disproportional military and economical power US has wielded over the last 80 years it was exceptionally benign compared to almost all other historical global or local superpowers. > nazi style antirussian propaganda lol.. ok. You know that calling everyone nazis while actually behaving like nazis isn't worth much? Then again psychological projection seems to be deeply cultural ingrained in Russia at this point... Putin's Russia is almost literally Mussolini's Italy in most ways (economically/politically/militarily) just with more corruption and with everyone looking depressed and with less feathers on hats.