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Why would anyone vote for this candidate when socialism has been providing such good outcomes in South America for so long?

Arnt 3y ago
Oh, what clue. Here are wikipedia pages for the two political parties to whom the last five presidents belonged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justicialist_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justicialist_Party
- monsecchris 3y ago
  > left-wing populism
  - Arnt 3y ago
    I have a feeling that you're trying to imply that left-wing populism is similar to socialism and different from right-wing populism, and that you want to imply rather than say because saying that outright because would look ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchnerism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchnerism has a list of the five main principles of the left-wing populist faction to which you refer. All of them are about external trade, central bank policy, etc, none of them mention any social policies at all. Do they look socialist to you? Any of them? On the other hand, can you even tell what makes them left- rather than right-wing populist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Argentina) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Argentina) describes what the socialists think. The voters don't have a problem telling the difference.
    - monsecchris 3y ago
      The fact you are persistently referring to wikipedia when discussing politics demonstrates everything anyone needs to know.
      - Arnt 3y ago
        For some definition of 'need', I suppose.
- spiderfarmer 3y ago
  It’s strange to me that so many commenters on Hacker News repeat talking points that sound like Fox News commentary. That is to say, (the old) USA is all good and the rest of the world sucks.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    Linking to Wikipedia is "repeating talking points that sound like Fox News commentary"? Or did you reply to the wrong post? Are you saying that the Wikipedia articles are inaccurate? Misleading? Not applicable? What are you actually saying, and what is your basis for saying it? In fact, your post reads like what you are accusing others of. You say something that 1) doesn't seem related, 2) has no data behind it, but 3) is supposed to make us reject someone else's point of view just because it's "bad" in some sense. If you want us to actually listen, you need to give us more than you have given us so far. Otherwise, we'll just ignore what you say like you seem to think we should ignore Fox News.
    - spiderfarmer 3y ago
      As long as you stop watching Fox News for the same reason you want to ignore me, then we’re all good.
      - Arnt 3y ago
        This sounds as if you think there's something bad about Fox News. I agree with that, IMO there is much wrong about Fox News, but may I ask why you think so? I ask because my reasons oblige me to avoid certain behaviours. You seem to think it's okay for you to post things that should be ignored for reasons that we should ignoreFox News, but if those reasons apply to your postings, why aren't they reasons to not post? This may sound like a complicated rhetorical way to ask you to stop posting such things, and maybe it is that. I overlook things and I know it, so I like to ask why and how and so on. If you do have reasons, please explain. Otherwise, please change your ways.
        spiderfarmer 3y ago
timeon 3y ago
Maybe not in two-party system but there are usually more sides of politics.
Simulacra 3y ago
Socialism only works when everyone agrees to pursue the collective interest. Since people naturally pursue self interest it requires force to adhere to the collective mindset. That's where everything breaks down. The greater the force the greater the resistance, and over time this has stagnated the economy.

Arnt 3y ago

Oh, what clue. Here are wikipedia pages for the two political parties to whom the last five presidents belonged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justicialist_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justicialist_Party

monsecchris 3y ago
> left-wing populism
- Arnt 3y ago
  I have a feeling that you're trying to imply that left-wing populism is similar to socialism and different from right-wing populism, and that you want to imply rather than say because saying that outright because would look ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchnerism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchnerism has a list of the five main principles of the left-wing populist faction to which you refer. All of them are about external trade, central bank policy, etc, none of them mention any social policies at all. Do they look socialist to you? Any of them? On the other hand, can you even tell what makes them left- rather than right-wing populist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Argentina) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Argentina) describes what the socialists think. The voters don't have a problem telling the difference.
  - monsecchris 3y ago
    The fact you are persistently referring to wikipedia when discussing politics demonstrates everything anyone needs to know.
    - Arnt 3y ago
      For some definition of 'need', I suppose.
spiderfarmer 3y ago
It’s strange to me that so many commenters on Hacker News repeat talking points that sound like Fox News commentary. That is to say, (the old) USA is all good and the rest of the world sucks.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  Linking to Wikipedia is "repeating talking points that sound like Fox News commentary"? Or did you reply to the wrong post? Are you saying that the Wikipedia articles are inaccurate? Misleading? Not applicable? What are you actually saying, and what is your basis for saying it? In fact, your post reads like what you are accusing others of. You say something that 1) doesn't seem related, 2) has no data behind it, but 3) is supposed to make us reject someone else's point of view just because it's "bad" in some sense. If you want us to actually listen, you need to give us more than you have given us so far. Otherwise, we'll just ignore what you say like you seem to think we should ignore Fox News.
  - spiderfarmer 3y ago
    As long as you stop watching Fox News for the same reason you want to ignore me, then we’re all good.
    - Arnt 3y ago
      This sounds as if you think there's something bad about Fox News. I agree with that, IMO there is much wrong about Fox News, but may I ask why you think so? I ask because my reasons oblige me to avoid certain behaviours. You seem to think it's okay for you to post things that should be ignored for reasons that we should ignoreFox News, but if those reasons apply to your postings, why aren't they reasons to not post? This may sound like a complicated rhetorical way to ask you to stop posting such things, and maybe it is that. I overlook things and I know it, so I like to ask why and how and so on. If you do have reasons, please explain. Otherwise, please change your ways.
      - spiderfarmer 3y ago

timeon 3y ago

Maybe not in two-party system but there are usually more sides of politics.

Simulacra 3y ago

Socialism only works when everyone agrees to pursue the collective interest. Since people naturally pursue self interest it requires force to adhere to the collective mindset. That's where everything breaks down. The greater the force the greater the resistance, and over time this has stagnated the economy.