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I assume "pave over" is an alliteration to the fact that even if there isn't square miles of pavement you are in fact destroying ecosystems. Who honestly think

I assume "pave over" is an alliteration to the fact that even if there isn't square miles of pavement you are in fact destroying ecosystems. Who honestly thinks that solar panel farms involve actual square miles of pavement?

p1mrx 3y ago
Erthos is planning to literally pave the ground with panels. It's an interesting idea: https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/utility-scale-solar-has-stagnated-so-erthos-mounts-pv-panels-right-on-the-ground https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/utility-scale-sol...
- porkbeer 3y ago
  How does one summon EEvlog
  - p1mrx 3y ago
    I assume you're referencing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds Erthos' panels are not solar freakin roadways, because they're fenced off, and only maintenance robots drive on them.
danans 3y ago
> I assume "pave over" is an alliteration to the fact "pave over" has a pretty distinct meaning even in its figurative uses, referring to the encapsulation of the ground surface with asphalt or concrete, as happens in cities or with major highways. Solar panels aren't really the same, when you consider that they are now being used to shelter crops via agrivoltaics [1], increasing yields and decreasing water use while also providing supplemental income to farmers via electricity sales. > even if there isn't square miles of pavement you are in fact destroying ecosystems More likely modifying ecosystems, not destroying them altogether. Remember that the actual "paving over" of ecosystems - via roads, etc - and the fossil fuel extraction industry have and continue to do far more damage to ecosystems than any renewable generation has. The Kern River oil field near Bakersfield CA isn't exactly the picture of prime wildlife habitat anymore: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/KernRiverFromBluff.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/KernRive... Even the scientist at the forefront of research into the concern about desert ecosystems says [2]: ""It's certainly going to damage some of the ecology. I think that's a tradeoff we have to accept. It's part of becoming less reliant on oil, and more reliant on solar and wind power." 1. https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/articles/potential-agrivoltaics-us-solar-industry-farmers-and-communities https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/articles/potential-agrivol... 2. https://phys.org/news/2009-03-dark-side-solar-power.html https://phys.org/news/2009-03-dark-side-solar-power.html

p1mrx 3y ago

Erthos is planning to literally pave the ground with panels. It's an interesting idea: https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/utility-scale-solar-has-stagnated-so-erthos-mounts-pv-panels-right-on-the-ground https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/utility-scale-sol...

porkbeer 3y ago
How does one summon EEvlog
- p1mrx 3y ago
  I assume you're referencing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds Erthos' panels are not solar freakin roadways, because they're fenced off, and only maintenance robots drive on them.

danans 3y ago

> I assume "pave over" is an alliteration to the fact "pave over" has a pretty distinct meaning even in its figurative uses, referring to the encapsulation of the ground surface with asphalt or concrete, as happens in cities or with major highways. Solar panels aren't really the same, when you consider that they are now being used to shelter crops via agrivoltaics [1], increasing yields and decreasing water use while also providing supplemental income to farmers via electricity sales. > even if there isn't square miles of pavement you are in fact destroying ecosystems More likely modifying ecosystems, not destroying them altogether. Remember that the actual "paving over" of ecosystems - via roads, etc - and the fossil fuel extraction industry have and continue to do far more damage to ecosystems than any renewable generation has. The Kern River oil field near Bakersfield CA isn't exactly the picture of prime wildlife habitat anymore: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/KernRiverFromBluff.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/KernRive... Even the scientist at the forefront of research into the concern about desert ecosystems says [2]: ""It's certainly going to damage some of the ecology. I think that's a tradeoff we have to accept. It's part of becoming less reliant on oil, and more reliant on solar and wind power." 1. https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/articles/potential-agrivoltaics-us-solar-industry-farmers-and-communities https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/articles/potential-agrivol... 2. https://phys.org/news/2009-03-dark-side-solar-power.html https://phys.org/news/2009-03-dark-side-solar-power.html