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This is why I ultimately trust my personal data to Apple (and to a lesser and smaller extent, Google). I don't expect either to exactly have my best interest at

by TylerE 3y ago

This is why I ultimately trust my personal data to Apple (and to a lesser and smaller extent, Google). I don't expect either to exactly have my best interest at heart - but I do expect both of them to have basic ops competency.

istjohn 3y ago
If you have multiple backups, you don't have to trust anyone.
- greenie_beans 3y ago
  except yourself !
crossroadsguy 3y ago
Actually if I must entrust my data to companies like these where reliability and competence is of utmost importance - I’d rather trust Google and Facebook (much much before Apple). If we are talking about privacy (or rather privacy theatre) then yeah Apple, why not.
- chillfox 3y ago
  I pulled down my Google Drive data some time ago with rclone and a bunch of the older files were corrupted.
ksec 3y ago
I wish Apple made a Time Capsule that requires iCloud 2TB Subscription to work. They could have priced it at $299 to include the initial 12 months iCloud subscription.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  Sorry, can you expand on that? Why require the sub?
  - ksec 3y ago
    Old Time Capsule isn't really a backup. You either need two HDD with BTRFS or ZFS set up as minimum. And then You will need an offsite backup option. iCloud , Google storage etc. If you only go via the iCloud route, you have zero local copy of your data. If you only only go via local, it isn't safe enough option. So ending up with a combination of the two. And Apple really wanted services revenue, if it was only just a Time Capsule I doubt Apple would ever make it again.
adobrawy 3y ago
Large corporations have the technical skills in place, but organizationally they can lock your account away leaving you with no access and no real avenue to evict your data. There are many posts on HN and on the Internet where corporate support had no procedure to give back access to data when they blocked the account. Account bans are sometimes for unclear or out of control reasons (e.g. someone stole your credit card and then used that card with a another account, so the corporate banned all accounts indefinitely). In the case of a smaller organization, you have a better chance that if they have to say goodbye to you, they will do it without unnecessary harm to you.
- aborsy 3y ago
  That would also be a major security concern: people gaining access to accounts by social engineering .
  - tjoff 3y ago
    Well, you do at least encrypt your backups yourself, right?
    - aborsy 3y ago
      That doesn’t prevent the deletion of backups and snapshots, encrypting the encrypted backups for a ransom, and using your account for distribution of the illegal content or malware.
      - tjoff 3y ago
        Sure, but lets try and be a little more realistic and weigh the scenarios accordingly.

by TylerE 3y ago

istjohn 3y ago

If you have multiple backups, you don't have to trust anyone.

greenie_beans 3y ago
except yourself !

crossroadsguy 3y ago

Actually if I must entrust my data to companies like these where reliability and competence is of utmost importance - I’d rather trust Google and Facebook (much much before Apple). If we are talking about privacy (or rather privacy theatre) then yeah Apple, why not.

chillfox 3y ago
I pulled down my Google Drive data some time ago with rclone and a bunch of the older files were corrupted.

ksec 3y ago

I wish Apple made a Time Capsule that requires iCloud 2TB Subscription to work. They could have priced it at $299 to include the initial 12 months iCloud subscription.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
Sorry, can you expand on that? Why require the sub?
- ksec 3y ago
  Old Time Capsule isn't really a backup. You either need two HDD with BTRFS or ZFS set up as minimum. And then You will need an offsite backup option. iCloud , Google storage etc. If you only go via the iCloud route, you have zero local copy of your data. If you only only go via local, it isn't safe enough option. So ending up with a combination of the two. And Apple really wanted services revenue, if it was only just a Time Capsule I doubt Apple would ever make it again.

adobrawy 3y ago

Large corporations have the technical skills in place, but organizationally they can lock your account away leaving you with no access and no real avenue to evict your data. There are many posts on HN and on the Internet where corporate support had no procedure to give back access to data when they blocked the account. Account bans are sometimes for unclear or out of control reasons (e.g. someone stole your credit card and then used that card with a another account, so the corporate banned all accounts indefinitely). In the case of a smaller organization, you have a better chance that if they have to say goodbye to you, they will do it without unnecessary harm to you.

aborsy 3y ago
That would also be a major security concern: people gaining access to accounts by social engineering .
- tjoff 3y ago
  Well, you do at least encrypt your backups yourself, right?
  - aborsy 3y ago
    That doesn’t prevent the deletion of backups and snapshots, encrypting the encrypted backups for a ransom, and using your account for distribution of the illegal content or malware.
    - tjoff 3y ago
      Sure, but lets try and be a little more realistic and weigh the scenarios accordingly.