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Saved by lifeguards, doctors and nurses, inventors of medical apparatus, heart surgeons, but a deity gets the thanks. SMH.

showdeadplease 3y ago
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whatshisface 3y ago
The people you listed don't get to decide who they will be able to save. It is up to unpredictable factors beyond anyone's control most of the time. To put it another way, do they get the blame when they don't save someone? Of course not, because nobody really controls those outcomes.
- markdown 3y ago
  Unpredictable factors? If they didn't provide care to the patient, the patient would die. He lived because they came into work and tended to him.
_sword 3y ago
You forgot to list the pig that was sacrificed to supply the first valve, the EMS teams, the ambulance manufacturers, the saline suppliers, the autoclaves, the blood donors, the vasopressors, the fungus that may have excreted antibiotics, and much more of the technical as well as flesh and blood and bone supply chain that goes into saving a person. When on a religious trip to Israel, his cardiologist placed a written prayer in the Western Wall during one of the scariest periods for my father.
- markdown 3y ago
  Thanks for listing more. I think it'd be better to summarise it all by thanking science. I'm glad the cardiologist has developed a way to manage the suffering we all go through in this hard life, but his delusions about some deity reading a piece of paper he stuck in the wall had nothing to do with your father's recovery.
  - Aerbil313 3y ago
    The amount of religion-hate and mocking that goes on HN is baffling.
  - fuckingkike 3y ago
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  - wddkcs 3y ago
    Where's your scientific evidence it didn't help? You've run experiments and collected data? This kind of base anti-theism is counterproductive and ultimately meaningless.
    - markdown 3y ago
      The burden of proof is on the person asserting that this magic happened. On the contrary, it's counterproductive to be such a horrible human being that you disregard the efforts of the people who saved the life of your father. My calling that out and trying to shame that horrible behaviour is very meaningful. If I'm successful, the world will be improved.
      - joelfried 3y ago
        Regardless of where the burden of proof lies, telling someone who nearly lost a parent this year that they are a horrible human being for expressing their gratitude in a way you disapprove of isn't going to convince anyone of anything. And I don't think that you will make the world any better by being mean to other people.
        markdown 3y ago
        True. My bad.

showdeadplease 3y ago

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whatshisface 3y ago

The people you listed don't get to decide who they will be able to save. It is up to unpredictable factors beyond anyone's control most of the time. To put it another way, do they get the blame when they don't save someone? Of course not, because nobody really controls those outcomes.

markdown 3y ago
Unpredictable factors? If they didn't provide care to the patient, the patient would die. He lived because they came into work and tended to him.

_sword 3y ago

You forgot to list the pig that was sacrificed to supply the first valve, the EMS teams, the ambulance manufacturers, the saline suppliers, the autoclaves, the blood donors, the vasopressors, the fungus that may have excreted antibiotics, and much more of the technical as well as flesh and blood and bone supply chain that goes into saving a person. When on a religious trip to Israel, his cardiologist placed a written prayer in the Western Wall during one of the scariest periods for my father.

markdown 3y ago
Thanks for listing more. I think it'd be better to summarise it all by thanking science. I'm glad the cardiologist has developed a way to manage the suffering we all go through in this hard life, but his delusions about some deity reading a piece of paper he stuck in the wall had nothing to do with your father's recovery.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  The amount of religion-hate and mocking that goes on HN is baffling.
- fuckingkike 3y ago
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- wddkcs 3y ago
  Where's your scientific evidence it didn't help? You've run experiments and collected data? This kind of base anti-theism is counterproductive and ultimately meaningless.
  - markdown 3y ago
    The burden of proof is on the person asserting that this magic happened. On the contrary, it's counterproductive to be such a horrible human being that you disregard the efforts of the people who saved the life of your father. My calling that out and trying to shame that horrible behaviour is very meaningful. If I'm successful, the world will be improved.
    - joelfried 3y ago
      Regardless of where the burden of proof lies, telling someone who nearly lost a parent this year that they are a horrible human being for expressing their gratitude in a way you disapprove of isn't going to convince anyone of anything. And I don't think that you will make the world any better by being mean to other people.
      - markdown 3y ago
        True. My bad.