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I just hired a couple of good guys around this salary. Especially if you hire remote, there’s no need to pay these types of roles $300k. Some dude living in Bu

I just hired a couple of good guys around this salary. Especially if you hire remote, there’s no need to pay these types of roles $300k. Some dude living in Buffalo will have a better standard of living at $150k than a $300k guy in SFO. And frankly, for the lower level roles where remote is fine, it’s hard to ignore Eastern Europe. Sorry guys, but these premiums were all about Google, Microsoft, AWS, etc trying to keep talent away from competitors. If you were making $500k to be a sysadmin, that’s probably a gravy train that will slow down.

astrange 3y ago
> Some dude living in Buffalo will have a better standard of living at $150k than a $300k guy in SFO. It doesn't really matter what your standard of living is when you look at how much faster you can fill your retirement fund.
- oofta-boofta 3y ago
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ryandrake 3y ago
These companies are all making multiples[1] of that in revenue per employee. An "average" employee making $200K/yr at Apple is not even capturing 10% of the "average" value he's bringing in. If anything, tech should be paying much more than it already is. The shareholders are getting away with murder. 1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/217489/revenue-per-employee-of-selected-tech-companies/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/217489/revenue-per-emplo...
- Silhouette 3y ago
  I'm afraid that's not how employment markets work. As an employee you are in a competitive environment and worth what at least one employer is willing to pay you. How that relates to the value you generate for the employer is largely irrelevant in an employer's market and that is what we have today. If you want to price based on value then you might consider a different path that leads to more of a B2B relationship such as entrepreneurialism, contracting or freelancing. The traditional alternative would be something like unionisation and collective bargaining but I don't see that happening effectively for software developers any time soon.
- doctor_eval 3y ago
  So, err, shouldn’t they also be paying their retail workers more? As in, much more? Since they are Apple employees too.
  - Auracle 3y ago
    Don’t forget the janitors, accountants, HR people… It’s all supply and demand. No (well run) company is ever going to pay their employees more than they need to.
    - Ekaros 3y ago
      Isn't lot of value generated by those who put together the overpriced devices? Shouldn't the margin of those go to them, working in factories?
      - Spooky23 3y ago
        Individuals have no leverage; they only get better valuation with collective bargaining.
coding123 3y ago
Sysadmin is no longer a role because now every commit has a little bit of sysadmin rolled in. The larger systems, AWS Batch, K8S, Fargate, etc... have all replaced sysadmin with specific commits in specific TF files. There's no longer a need for someone to "watch" for servers to go down or discs to run out of space if everything is using the appropriate service. If you're unaware of this, of course you won't have a sysadmin job going forward. 8 9's is now guaranteed if you just choose anything but us-east-1

astrange 3y ago

> Some dude living in Buffalo will have a better standard of living at $150k than a $300k guy in SFO. It doesn't really matter what your standard of living is when you look at how much faster you can fill your retirement fund.

oofta-boofta 3y ago
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ryandrake 3y ago

These companies are all making multiples[1] of that in revenue per employee. An "average" employee making $200K/yr at Apple is not even capturing 10% of the "average" value he's bringing in. If anything, tech should be paying much more than it already is. The shareholders are getting away with murder. 1: https://www.statista.com/statistics/217489/revenue-per-employee-of-selected-tech-companies/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/217489/revenue-per-emplo...

Silhouette 3y ago
I'm afraid that's not how employment markets work. As an employee you are in a competitive environment and worth what at least one employer is willing to pay you. How that relates to the value you generate for the employer is largely irrelevant in an employer's market and that is what we have today. If you want to price based on value then you might consider a different path that leads to more of a B2B relationship such as entrepreneurialism, contracting or freelancing. The traditional alternative would be something like unionisation and collective bargaining but I don't see that happening effectively for software developers any time soon.
doctor_eval 3y ago
So, err, shouldn’t they also be paying their retail workers more? As in, much more? Since they are Apple employees too.
- Auracle 3y ago
  Don’t forget the janitors, accountants, HR people… It’s all supply and demand. No (well run) company is ever going to pay their employees more than they need to.
  - Ekaros 3y ago
    Isn't lot of value generated by those who put together the overpriced devices? Shouldn't the margin of those go to them, working in factories?
    - Spooky23 3y ago
      Individuals have no leverage; they only get better valuation with collective bargaining.

coding123 3y ago

Sysadmin is no longer a role because now every commit has a little bit of sysadmin rolled in. The larger systems, AWS Batch, K8S, Fargate, etc... have all replaced sysadmin with specific commits in specific TF files. There's no longer a need for someone to "watch" for servers to go down or discs to run out of space if everything is using the appropriate service. If you're unaware of this, of course you won't have a sysadmin job going forward. 8 9's is now guaranteed if you just choose anything but us-east-1