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I live in NZ. Hiring is not easy at the moment. Also our wages are low. Look at the current job postings. https://www.seek.co.nz/Software-Developer-jobs https

by xupybd 3y ago

I live in NZ. Hiring is not easy at the moment. Also our wages are low. Look at the current job postings. https://www.seek.co.nz/Software-Developer-jobs https://www.seek.co.nz/Software-Developer-jobs Then take into account that $1 NZD is equal to 0.59742741 US Dollars. So if you are earning $100k in NZD that is not even $60k USD. Our national average house price is $888,999. It's much higher in big cities. Our food costs are rapidly increasing as well. I pay over $1,000 NZD for power and gas. Smart developers are leaving.

bacon_waffle 3y ago
> Smart developers are leaving. I'm in Ōtepoti/Dunedin (best city in NZ!), and within my social network most developers work remotely for overseas companies.
- xupybd 3y ago
  Good to meet you. I'm in Palmy, (most average city in NZ). That is something I need to look into. I'm guessing now is a bad time to be looking for international work. It seems like the job market is not great internationally.
- flog 3y ago
  Kia ora from Tauranga 100%. There are 2 NZ employment markets. Those working for NZ companies in the $100k region, and those working for US firms for the $200+k region. I've had an annoying time explaining this to past US employers when they present median values for NZ salary fudge factors.
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    Where do people find jobs in the US that can be done from outside the US? The few job boards I've seen all have either low salaries, or are US-only...
    - bacon_waffle 3y ago
      I got my first remote gig (firmware work) through a friend's referral, however that was years before COVID-19. These days I'd suggest looking for a remote-first company. Or, maybe apply for remote gigs that say US-only (assuming there's not an obvious or stated reason), then bring up your location when talking to a real human. FWIW - technically I run a NZ company, so am a contractor and not an employee of the company that my day-to-day manager works for. This arrangement seems to be common among people who work for US companies, or are US citizens, which brings up some questions about the stats in the article...
    - veb 3y ago
      People tend to post interesting jobs that they find in the #jobs channel on the DevelopNZ Slack if it's something you're interested in.
  - llamaLord 3y ago
    You forgot all the Kiwis working remote for Atlassian and Canva in the $200+k region. My team of ~12 is nearly ~30% kiwi at this point.
- veb 3y ago
  this city is so damn small, I didn't even need to know your real name to know who you were :D All you other NZ devs should join the Slack server I founded for IT people in NZ. https://dev.elop.nz/ https://dev.elop.nz/ a lot of us work remotely. We have a dedicated jobs channel and all - we also have some very good recruiters. (700ish people)
WheatMillington 3y ago
I'm also in NZ and everything you say is true, except wtf $1k in electric and gas?! I'm not a conservative energy user, and I'm paying around $280 (mid winter) for a family of 4. Hard to believe/understand the $1k remark.
- xupybd 3y ago
  I have a 1910 villa and a Vietnamese wife with a new born. She has been here for 14 years but still likes it warm. I'm working on getting her to understand that we don't need to heat rooms we don't use. But $280 is cheaper than I pay during summer. I'm averaging about 20KWHs in the summer. At the moment it's closer to 75KWHs per day. Our hot water is all gas. About 1 x $150 bottle per month in the summer. That moves up to 1 per week in the winter. Double glassing is in the wish list. Then wall insulation. But we have a mortgage and an asbestos roof to deal with first.
  - gedy 3y ago
    > 75KWHs That's a lot of energy per day, mate. I'm in the US and not particularly careful with usage and I'm averaging about 25KWH a day. You might want to get a usage meter that lets you check various appliances/lights/switches in real time to find the heavy usage
    - crooked-v 3y ago
      Yeah, that kind of thing makes me think 'why do they have six refrigerators?' or 'is the electric dryer running literally 24/7?'.
      - xupybd 3y ago
        Three chest freezers, one fridge freezer, dryer goes five to six times a day, three heat pumps and two radiant electric heaters.
        emmo 3y ago
TheAlchemist 3y ago
Kia ora from Hawke's Bay. "Smart developers are leaving" - or working for overseas employers. This seems to be quite common. Too bad NZ is a small market which I feel make many jobs not that interesting.

by xupybd 3y ago

bacon_waffle 3y ago

> Smart developers are leaving. I'm in Ōtepoti/Dunedin (best city in NZ!), and within my social network most developers work remotely for overseas companies.

xupybd 3y ago
Good to meet you. I'm in Palmy, (most average city in NZ). That is something I need to look into. I'm guessing now is a bad time to be looking for international work. It seems like the job market is not great internationally.
flog 3y ago
Kia ora from Tauranga 100%. There are 2 NZ employment markets. Those working for NZ companies in the $100k region, and those working for US firms for the $200+k region. I've had an annoying time explaining this to past US employers when they present median values for NZ salary fudge factors.
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  Where do people find jobs in the US that can be done from outside the US? The few job boards I've seen all have either low salaries, or are US-only...
  - bacon_waffle 3y ago
    I got my first remote gig (firmware work) through a friend's referral, however that was years before COVID-19. These days I'd suggest looking for a remote-first company. Or, maybe apply for remote gigs that say US-only (assuming there's not an obvious or stated reason), then bring up your location when talking to a real human. FWIW - technically I run a NZ company, so am a contractor and not an employee of the company that my day-to-day manager works for. This arrangement seems to be common among people who work for US companies, or are US citizens, which brings up some questions about the stats in the article...
  - veb 3y ago
    People tend to post interesting jobs that they find in the #jobs channel on the DevelopNZ Slack if it's something you're interested in.
- llamaLord 3y ago
  You forgot all the Kiwis working remote for Atlassian and Canva in the $200+k region. My team of ~12 is nearly ~30% kiwi at this point.
veb 3y ago
this city is so damn small, I didn't even need to know your real name to know who you were :D All you other NZ devs should join the Slack server I founded for IT people in NZ. https://dev.elop.nz/ https://dev.elop.nz/ a lot of us work remotely. We have a dedicated jobs channel and all - we also have some very good recruiters. (700ish people)

WheatMillington 3y ago

I'm also in NZ and everything you say is true, except wtf $1k in electric and gas?! I'm not a conservative energy user, and I'm paying around $280 (mid winter) for a family of 4. Hard to believe/understand the $1k remark.

xupybd 3y ago
I have a 1910 villa and a Vietnamese wife with a new born. She has been here for 14 years but still likes it warm. I'm working on getting her to understand that we don't need to heat rooms we don't use. But $280 is cheaper than I pay during summer. I'm averaging about 20KWHs in the summer. At the moment it's closer to 75KWHs per day. Our hot water is all gas. About 1 x $150 bottle per month in the summer. That moves up to 1 per week in the winter. Double glassing is in the wish list. Then wall insulation. But we have a mortgage and an asbestos roof to deal with first.
- gedy 3y ago
  > 75KWHs That's a lot of energy per day, mate. I'm in the US and not particularly careful with usage and I'm averaging about 25KWH a day. You might want to get a usage meter that lets you check various appliances/lights/switches in real time to find the heavy usage
  - crooked-v 3y ago
    Yeah, that kind of thing makes me think 'why do they have six refrigerators?' or 'is the electric dryer running literally 24/7?'.
    - xupybd 3y ago
      Three chest freezers, one fridge freezer, dryer goes five to six times a day, three heat pumps and two radiant electric heaters.
      - emmo 3y ago

TheAlchemist 3y ago

Kia ora from Hawke's Bay. "Smart developers are leaving" - or working for overseas employers. This seems to be quite common. Too bad NZ is a small market which I feel make many jobs not that interesting.