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Don’t conflate EM and IC prospects, EM are going to be considerably worse for the immediate future as companies try to slim up on middle management The job mar
by whimsicalism 3y ago
Don’t conflate EM and IC prospects, EM are going to be considerably worse for the immediate future as companies try to slim up on middle management
The job market many of you all are describing seems to have been standard for new grads for the last few years
- jh00ker 3y agoCorrect, specifically front-line EM roles. I added clarification.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y agoNot quite sure what you mean here. "Front-line EM" is still in much worse shape than ICs. While you may argue that front-line EM is not technically "middle" management, I think a lot of companies realize they can be much leaner at pretty much all levels of engineering management - e.g. have a "tech lead" or similar role do much of the work that was previously under an engineering manager. If you're not willing/can't write and ship code, companies are taking a much harder look at those roles.
- jh00ker 3y agoI think of front-line managers (of ICs) as part of "middle management" (anything "in the middle" between ICs and executives) but I can see how some might think of middle management as managers of managers. Anyway, that's why I added the clarification. To your point, yeah, I'm also seeing a lot more "hands on" call outs in JDs for EMs, if not writing code, at least doing code reviews.