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k e: I know for a fact TC for a new hire in 2019 straight out of college with a BS was 250k, just because it doesn't match what you have seen doesn't make it w

k e: I know for a fact TC for a new hire in 2019 straight out of college with a BS was 250k, just because it doesn't match what you have seen doesn't make it wrong

whimsicalism 3y ago
https://www.levels.fyi/companies/microsoft/salaries/software-engineer/levels/sde https://www.levels.fyi/companies/microsoft/salaries/software... There are 100 pages of salaries for level 59 reported here. If you made $250k starting, you would be in the 99.5%-ile. So yeah, not common at all. I don’t doubt that TC for some individual new hire you know was $250k but that is different from your claim about starting TC, you can easily look at the levels.fyi bands, and I know multiple people at Microsoft that are paid less than $200k out of college. FWIW i was also paid $250k by MS out of college, but that is because I worked for a subsidiary. It is not the starting TC at MS proper.
- explaininjs 3y ago
  Not everyone starts at 59. And it's on you for assuming the definite article, I only meant the indefinite. (A MSFT starting TC is...)
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    You are in such poor faith that I am not going to keep responding. fwiw, assuming the definite is the standard native english way of interpreting that sentence.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      You clearly have little to no experience with the diversity of Microsoft new hire compensation packages. That's ok, you aren't expected to. But when someone makes a claim that new hires "can make"[1] 200k+, and someone else backs it up with data from personal experience, don't come flinging your ignorance around and accuse others of acting in "bad faith". Instead, sit back and learn. Maybe ask a few questions. And I'm a native english speaker. But I've never felt I had to stick to the "standard" way of doing things. You shouldn't either. Certainly not when reading text you can't be sure is pulled straight from Strunk's. I just realized you might be getting so emotional about this because you claim you also made 250k straight out of college and want to feel superior in some way? [1] "Can make". Not "all make", "must make", "will make", "should make", or even "expect to make". "Can make". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37115731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37115731
joshuamorton 3y ago
So given the followups to this post, by "a" new hire you mean "one particular" new hire, not "a representative" new hire. Which, sure. There are highly sought-after candidates who get absolutely ridiculous offers in most markets. But the starting TC at MSFT is not at all "250K" under any normal interpretation. (For context: I've seen new-grad-adjacent offers break 400K at FAANG for particularly in-demand candidates in the past, but I'm not going to claim that the starting pay at any company is 400K. It's not).
- piuantiderp 3y ago
  At the hedge funds and prop shops, it is 400k if not more.
  - joshuamorton 3y ago
    At a handful of them, sure, but the ones I got offers from didn't match what I had from FAANG.

k e: I know for a fact TC for a new hire in 2019 straight out of college with a BS was 250k, just because it doesn't match what you have seen doesn't make it wrong

whimsicalism 3y ago

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/microsoft/salaries/software-engineer/levels/sde https://www.levels.fyi/companies/microsoft/salaries/software... There are 100 pages of salaries for level 59 reported here. If you made $250k starting, you would be in the 99.5%-ile. So yeah, not common at all. I don’t doubt that TC for some individual new hire you know was $250k but that is different from your claim about starting TC, you can easily look at the levels.fyi bands, and I know multiple people at Microsoft that are paid less than $200k out of college. FWIW i was also paid $250k by MS out of college, but that is because I worked for a subsidiary. It is not the starting TC at MS proper.

explaininjs 3y ago
Not everyone starts at 59. And it's on you for assuming the definite article, I only meant the indefinite. (A MSFT starting TC is...)
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  You are in such poor faith that I am not going to keep responding. fwiw, assuming the definite is the standard native english way of interpreting that sentence.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    You clearly have little to no experience with the diversity of Microsoft new hire compensation packages. That's ok, you aren't expected to. But when someone makes a claim that new hires "can make"[1] 200k+, and someone else backs it up with data from personal experience, don't come flinging your ignorance around and accuse others of acting in "bad faith". Instead, sit back and learn. Maybe ask a few questions. And I'm a native english speaker. But I've never felt I had to stick to the "standard" way of doing things. You shouldn't either. Certainly not when reading text you can't be sure is pulled straight from Strunk's. I just realized you might be getting so emotional about this because you claim you also made 250k straight out of college and want to feel superior in some way? [1] "Can make". Not "all make", "must make", "will make", "should make", or even "expect to make". "Can make". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37115731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37115731

joshuamorton 3y ago

So given the followups to this post, by "a" new hire you mean "one particular" new hire, not "a representative" new hire. Which, sure. There are highly sought-after candidates who get absolutely ridiculous offers in most markets. But the starting TC at MSFT is not at all "250K" under any normal interpretation. (For context: I've seen new-grad-adjacent offers break 400K at FAANG for particularly in-demand candidates in the past, but I'm not going to claim that the starting pay at any company is 400K. It's not).

piuantiderp 3y ago
At the hedge funds and prop shops, it is 400k if not more.
- joshuamorton 3y ago
  At a handful of them, sure, but the ones I got offers from didn't match what I had from FAANG.