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MSFT starting TC is ~250k.
by explaininjs 3y ago
MSFT starting TC is ~250k.
- zeusk 3y agoIt quickly decays to around 150-180k; the refreshers and bonus are lousy <L63 at MSFT.
- explaininjs 3y ago"quickly" being 4-5 years?
- zeusk 3y agoQuickly being, 1 year and can go lower after 3 years if you don't get a SSA.
- explaininjs 3y agoDon't know what an SSA is. But I've seen flat/gently-increasing payout curves over 4 years, ~250k each.
- zeusk 3y agoI worked at MS for 3 years after undergrad, My first year was 221k, 180k, 191k and would've been ~185k for Y4 then 160k after cliff. SSA is Special Stock Award given arbitrarily (M2s are not sure or have any say in who/how much to be given) but believed to be used for retention by HR. Annual stock refreshers for <L63 at Microsoft are in the range of 0-20k vesting over 5 years. I chose to move to Amazon then recently Apple.
- whimsicalism 3y agofalse e: really for HN i would think people had a better sense of the market, i am seeing wrong statements all over the place L59 at MS is absolutely not paid $250k
- ivalm 3y agoMedian is much lower, but I know a few ~$230k. Basically top school/good internship/competing offers.
- whimsicalism 3y agoFar cry from the starting pay being $20k above that, which is blatantly false.
- ivalm 3y agoagree, totally! but also worth noting that there are a bunch of freshers who get paid more than "principles" in non-tech companies.
- explaininjs 3y agok e: I know for a fact TC for a new hire in 2019 straight out of college with a BS was 250k, just because it doesn't match what you have seen doesn't make it wrong
- whimsicalism 3y agohttps://www.levels.fyi/companies/microsoft/salaries/software-engineer/levels/sde https://www.levels.fyi/companies/microsoft/salaries/software... There are 100 pages of salaries for level 59 reported here. If you made $250k starting, you would be in the 99.5%-ile. So yeah, not common at all. I don’t doubt that TC for some individual new hire you know was $250k but that is different from your claim about starting TC, you can easily look at the levels.fyi bands, and I know multiple people at Microsoft that are paid less than $200k out of college. FWIW i was also paid $250k by MS out of college, but that is because I worked for a subsidiary. It is not the starting TC at MS proper.
- explaininjs 3y agoNot everyone starts at 59. And it's on you for assuming the definite article, I only meant the indefinite. (A MSFT starting TC is...)