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Any incontrovertible evidence for party being nazist? And if there is, why weren't they banned already? Nazi parties can't legally exist in Germany. Re downvot

by effie 3y ago

Any incontrovertible evidence for party being nazist? And if there is, why weren't they banned already? Nazi parties can't legally exist in Germany. Re downvotes, I'm pointing out that decisive German institutions so far did not pronounce the party as Nazi, and there were probably good reasons for that.

purerandomness 3y ago
Quick question before we provide data, what would you accept as qualifying evidence that would make you go "Oh, ok, yup, they're Nazis". > And if there is, why weren't they banned already? There's a protocol that is being followed. The AfD is currently at the "Verdachtsfall" stage, and the debate is whether the Verfassungsschutz will escalate to the next stage. > Nazi parties can't legally exist in Germany. Let's play Red Team here, say you want to create a Nazi party. Wouldn't you want to make sure it flies under the radar as long as you can?
- effie 3y ago
  > what would you accept as qualifying evidence Party leadership making apologies for Nazi Germany or support for Nazi/equivalent policies, or tolerance of party members behaving in such a way. > There's a protocol OK, so they were not found overstepping the red lines yet, only problematic and dancing on it. OK, this may change in the future. When the relevant institutions make the judgement, then it should credible. > say you want to create Sorry, I can't play this game. But you have a point, yes smart Nazis would try to do that.
  - purerandomness 3y ago
    > Party leadership making apologies for Nazi Germany or support for Nazi/equivalent policies, or tolerance of party members behaving in such a way. Oh that's an easy one, there are many many such quotes. Links in German citing sources: https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/nazis-in-afd/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/nazis-in-afd/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/argumentationshilfe-hoecke/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/argumentationshilfe-ho... https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/25-krasse-hoecke-zitate/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/25-krasse-hoecke-zitat...

by effie 3y ago

purerandomness 3y ago

Quick question before we provide data, what would you accept as qualifying evidence that would make you go "Oh, ok, yup, they're Nazis". > And if there is, why weren't they banned already? There's a protocol that is being followed. The AfD is currently at the "Verdachtsfall" stage, and the debate is whether the Verfassungsschutz will escalate to the next stage. > Nazi parties can't legally exist in Germany. Let's play Red Team here, say you want to create a Nazi party. Wouldn't you want to make sure it flies under the radar as long as you can?

effie 3y ago
> what would you accept as qualifying evidence Party leadership making apologies for Nazi Germany or support for Nazi/equivalent policies, or tolerance of party members behaving in such a way. > There's a protocol OK, so they were not found overstepping the red lines yet, only problematic and dancing on it. OK, this may change in the future. When the relevant institutions make the judgement, then it should credible. > say you want to create Sorry, I can't play this game. But you have a point, yes smart Nazis would try to do that.
- purerandomness 3y ago
  > Party leadership making apologies for Nazi Germany or support for Nazi/equivalent policies, or tolerance of party members behaving in such a way. Oh that's an easy one, there are many many such quotes. Links in German citing sources: https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/nazis-in-afd/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/nazis-in-afd/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/argumentationshilfe-hoecke/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/argumentationshilfe-ho... https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/25-krasse-hoecke-zitate/ https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/25-krasse-hoecke-zitat...