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> Taiwan, there is a first-class healthcare system that has national single-payer insurance for all residents (only $27/mo!!) How? At 27 USD/month/person, are

by jopsen 3y ago

> Taiwan, there is a first-class healthcare system that has national single-payer insurance for all residents (only $27/mo!!) How? At 27 USD/month/person, are you sure you're not failing to account for taxes and other government funding for healthcare? Don't get me wrong. Healthcare could be better and cheaper. We could train more doctors to lower wages :) But healthcare and care in general is a hard place to increase productivity. New treatments and drugs help, but anything advanced usually have to involve humans.

xeonmc 3y ago
Secret to Taiwan’s healthcare: slave labor of the doctors.
- adastra22 3y ago
  Doctors seem to get by just fine. They are paid a living wage like any professional, and take on little to no debt from medical school (one of the top schools is $4000/yr in tuition).
adastra22 3y ago
Yes I said it was nationalized healthcare. But Taiwan’s tax burden isn’t oppressive either. Tax brackets are pretty similar to the US. They start by not paying the insane wages the rest of the first world has normalized. There is no reason a typical doctor should be expecting half a million $$ in total compensation. They also cut out a lot of middlemen. No private insurance. Doctors offices are also pharmacies. No domestic pharma industry abusing the paten system to extract rents from medications. Etc.
- jopsen 3y ago
  > Yes I said it was nationalized healthcare. But Taiwan’s tax burden isn’t oppressive either. Yes, but let's be clear: It's not 27 USD / month per capita. I live in Denmark with public heathcare, it's not horrible, but wait times for non-critical things are longer than it was in the US (with a great insurance). Not that it's been a huge issue for me. In any case, I'm pretty sure our healthcare system is more than 27 USD/month per capita :D A random search for healthcare expenditure puts the number around 650 USD/month per capita (probably you can find a different number and make it larger/smaller, so I'd take this as a ballpark figure).
  - adastra22 3y ago
    You can read about Taiwan's system here: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy-center/countries/taiwan https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy...

by jopsen 3y ago

xeonmc 3y ago

Secret to Taiwan’s healthcare: slave labor of the doctors.

adastra22 3y ago
Doctors seem to get by just fine. They are paid a living wage like any professional, and take on little to no debt from medical school (one of the top schools is $4000/yr in tuition).

adastra22 3y ago

Yes I said it was nationalized healthcare. But Taiwan’s tax burden isn’t oppressive either. Tax brackets are pretty similar to the US. They start by not paying the insane wages the rest of the first world has normalized. There is no reason a typical doctor should be expecting half a million $$ in total compensation. They also cut out a lot of middlemen. No private insurance. Doctors offices are also pharmacies. No domestic pharma industry abusing the paten system to extract rents from medications. Etc.

jopsen 3y ago
> Yes I said it was nationalized healthcare. But Taiwan’s tax burden isn’t oppressive either. Yes, but let's be clear: It's not 27 USD / month per capita. I live in Denmark with public heathcare, it's not horrible, but wait times for non-critical things are longer than it was in the US (with a great insurance). Not that it's been a huge issue for me. In any case, I'm pretty sure our healthcare system is more than 27 USD/month per capita :D A random search for healthcare expenditure puts the number around 650 USD/month per capita (probably you can find a different number and make it larger/smaller, so I'd take this as a ballpark figure).
- adastra22 3y ago
  You can read about Taiwan's system here: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy-center/countries/taiwan https://www.commonwealthfund.org/international-health-policy...