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I am startled, and also glad, that record labels haven't put the screws to youtube enough to get them to implement widevine for music videos on youtube. Probab

I am startled, and also glad, that record labels haven't put the screws to youtube enough to get them to implement widevine for music videos on youtube. Probably unworkable for the time being.

ComposedPattern 3y ago
I'm currently feeling the need to back up youtube videos that are important to me, because I figure it will be much harder soon.
- Modified3019 3y ago
  They definitely will be, now that google is looking to more proactively enforce ads. But the biggest danger is that videos and channels can get removed by any, all, or no reason. -Copyright middlemen/parasites -Trolls -Shifts in what’s politically or advertiser acceptable (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/) -Massive data loss (see myspace) -And especially the capricious whims of the channel owner. A few years ago I realized an old playlist of mine was basically swiss cheese due to how many videos had been removed. If you value it, save it now, because it will be gone sooner than you are prepared for. There are many ways to handle automated saving of channels, including some gui frontends, but offhand the one I use and modify is: https://github.com/TheFrenchGhosty/TheFrenchGhostys-Ultimate-YouTube-DL-Scripts-Collection/ https://github.com/TheFrenchGhosty/TheFrenchGhostys-Ultimate...
  - boopmaster 3y ago
    I have music playlists turned to swiss cheese on paid streaming music services, and it's for that reason that I've turned to doing the unthinkable: buying mp3s like some kind of devolved luddite.
    - Pannoniae 3y ago
      Soulseek is your friend.
      - justinclift 3y ago
        Or maybe Bandcamp (bandcamp.com).
        Modified3019 3y ago
        Bandcamp is what I use. One thing to note, is that the artist/label retain full control of what music is present, and as such can be removed at any time, even ones you paid for. See: https://get.bandcamp.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406122372119-Why-is-my-download-missing-tracks- https://get.bandcamp.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406122372119-Wh... I use https://github.com/easlice/bandcamp-downloader https://github.com/easlice/bandcamp-downloader to immediately archive flac files to my NAS after a purchase, then convert to those to a lossy for space saving format for mobile playback/family sharing as desired with a playlist. This way I have my archive, and the artists I like get their support.
        boopmaster 3y ago
        this is indeed what had happened to one of my top listens in 2022. artist decided to revise their own back catalog narrative so to speak, and I get it but holy crap the horses already left the stable. So it is not for sale. I might find it on soulseek (thanks for the suggestion someone else ITT). the album meant a lot to me, as these things can when they're literally top playcounts for the year - clearly it does. and it was, you know... super-indie, mom's basement kind of soundcloud & distrokid released production. wonderful and now gone. Had I bought this on iTunes it would have gone into my offline library. it was for sale, and is no more. my takeaway has been to get very defensive about any hyper-indie releases that I want to hang onto.
        justinclift 3y ago
        Did you contact the artist to ask if you could grab the older version of their release? They might still have it around and be happy to provide it. :)
kmeisthax 3y ago
The problem is that if they implement Widevine they also need to license FairPlay, PlayReady, and Adobe's DRM schemes as well. Otherwise YouTube is effectively Chrome-exclusive. The reason why EME didn't lead to a catastrophic downfall of freedom on the Web is purely a function of DRM being expensive to license. Netflix can afford it but not YouTube, and YouTube creators generally don't want it[0]. Related note: if YouTube starts putting DRM on videos then every creator that's ever used Kevin Macleod music is now violating the Creative Commons anti-DRM clause. YouTube actually added a feature to mark your video as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, so they'd be at least marginally aware of this clause, so they'd have to at least make DRM opt-in. [0] To be clear, this is moreso that what YouTubers are actually worried about is reuploading content back to YouTube and monetizing it. They don't care so much if you have a stream-ripped copy on your computer that you just watch on your own. But things like Content ID actually work way better for preventing reuploading.
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  Widevine works in firefox, based on the plugin it asks you to enable.
- kragen 3y ago
  hey, that's a really good point that i hadn't thought of: either whatever is required to watch a youtube video isn't a 'technological measure that effectively controls access to a work' or it's illegal for youtube to host all those videos using incompetech music
- jojobas 3y ago
  I'd say at this point youtube has so much more market capture than any non-chrome browser, they probably could just say "get Chrome or gtfo" and not even notice the audience dip.
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    iPhone / iOS is Safari-only. That's a non-negligible market segment. And an affluent one.
  - 3y ago

I am startled, and also glad, that record labels haven't put the screws to youtube enough to get them to implement widevine for music videos on youtube. Probably unworkable for the time being.

ComposedPattern 3y ago

I'm currently feeling the need to back up youtube videos that are important to me, because I figure it will be much harder soon.

Modified3019 3y ago
They definitely will be, now that google is looking to more proactively enforce ads. But the biggest danger is that videos and channels can get removed by any, all, or no reason. -Copyright middlemen/parasites -Trolls -Shifts in what’s politically or advertiser acceptable (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/) -Massive data loss (see myspace) -And especially the capricious whims of the channel owner. A few years ago I realized an old playlist of mine was basically swiss cheese due to how many videos had been removed. If you value it, save it now, because it will be gone sooner than you are prepared for. There are many ways to handle automated saving of channels, including some gui frontends, but offhand the one I use and modify is: https://github.com/TheFrenchGhosty/TheFrenchGhostys-Ultimate-YouTube-DL-Scripts-Collection/ https://github.com/TheFrenchGhosty/TheFrenchGhostys-Ultimate...
- boopmaster 3y ago
  I have music playlists turned to swiss cheese on paid streaming music services, and it's for that reason that I've turned to doing the unthinkable: buying mp3s like some kind of devolved luddite.
  - Pannoniae 3y ago
    Soulseek is your friend.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      Or maybe Bandcamp (bandcamp.com).
      - Modified3019 3y ago
        Bandcamp is what I use. One thing to note, is that the artist/label retain full control of what music is present, and as such can be removed at any time, even ones you paid for. See: https://get.bandcamp.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406122372119-Why-is-my-download-missing-tracks- https://get.bandcamp.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406122372119-Wh... I use https://github.com/easlice/bandcamp-downloader https://github.com/easlice/bandcamp-downloader to immediately archive flac files to my NAS after a purchase, then convert to those to a lossy for space saving format for mobile playback/family sharing as desired with a playlist. This way I have my archive, and the artists I like get their support.
        boopmaster 3y ago
        this is indeed what had happened to one of my top listens in 2022. artist decided to revise their own back catalog narrative so to speak, and I get it but holy crap the horses already left the stable. So it is not for sale. I might find it on soulseek (thanks for the suggestion someone else ITT). the album meant a lot to me, as these things can when they're literally top playcounts for the year - clearly it does. and it was, you know... super-indie, mom's basement kind of soundcloud & distrokid released production. wonderful and now gone. Had I bought this on iTunes it would have gone into my offline library. it was for sale, and is no more. my takeaway has been to get very defensive about any hyper-indie releases that I want to hang onto.
        justinclift 3y ago
        Did you contact the artist to ask if you could grab the older version of their release? They might still have it around and be happy to provide it. :)

kmeisthax 3y ago

The problem is that if they implement Widevine they also need to license FairPlay, PlayReady, and Adobe's DRM schemes as well. Otherwise YouTube is effectively Chrome-exclusive. The reason why EME didn't lead to a catastrophic downfall of freedom on the Web is purely a function of DRM being expensive to license. Netflix can afford it but not YouTube, and YouTube creators generally don't want it[0]. Related note: if YouTube starts putting DRM on videos then every creator that's ever used Kevin Macleod music is now violating the Creative Commons anti-DRM clause. YouTube actually added a feature to mark your video as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, so they'd be at least marginally aware of this clause, so they'd have to at least make DRM opt-in. [0] To be clear, this is moreso that what YouTubers are actually worried about is reuploading content back to YouTube and monetizing it. They don't care so much if you have a stream-ripped copy on your computer that you just watch on your own. But things like Content ID actually work way better for preventing reuploading.

extraduder_ire 3y ago
Widevine works in firefox, based on the plugin it asks you to enable.
kragen 3y ago
hey, that's a really good point that i hadn't thought of: either whatever is required to watch a youtube video isn't a 'technological measure that effectively controls access to a work' or it's illegal for youtube to host all those videos using incompetech music
jojobas 3y ago
I'd say at this point youtube has so much more market capture than any non-chrome browser, they probably could just say "get Chrome or gtfo" and not even notice the audience dip.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  iPhone / iOS is Safari-only. That's a non-negligible market segment. And an affluent one.
- 3y ago