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For other readers: Gonzalo Lira is a far right vlogger that has been accused of being a pro-Putin propagandist. It’s not my intent to convince you he is or isn

For other readers: Gonzalo Lira is a far right vlogger that has been accused of being a pro-Putin propagandist. It’s not my intent to convince you he is or isn’t, but I have a big fucking problem with OP’s naked attempt at false equivalence.

slily 3y ago
Swap the politics and it looks exactly the same. Solely based on your comment anyway, I don't know either character. You should be aware of your own bias. It is disturbing to see Western "liberals" justify persecuting their political opponents.
- sixQuarks 3y ago
  Exactly. Look how my comment is getting downvoted. The hypocrisy is palpable. It doesn't matter how repulsive you think this man his, he's being jailed for what he said. How is this any better than Russia?
simonh 3y ago
It looks like Lira is a grade A scumbag, but he seems to be a very careful scumbag. If he’s being persecuted for voicing opinions, no matter how distasteful, that’s a problem.
- dralley 3y ago
  > he seems to be a very careful scumbag He live-tweeted his attempt to jump bail and illegally cross the border.
- bombolo 3y ago
  ukraine banned all political parties… in ukraine being for peace talks is a crime.
  - simonh 3y ago
    They did not, there are about 300 political parties registered in Ukraine. They banned a handful of parties with ties to Russia. While I'm queasy about the treatment of this guy, he's a foreigner so why not just deport him, banning parties with explicit ties to your enemy in times of war seems prudent. - Hold that, it appears Lira is actually wanted for sending photos of military gear to Russian intelligence. I don't know how credible that accusation is, but I suppose we'll see.
    - bombolo 3y ago
      the pro russia were banned before the war. After the war much more were banned
      - simonh 3y ago
        I'm talking about the ones that were banned in March 2022 after the start of the invasion. I don't think any were banned before then.
        bombolo 3y ago
        > Since 16 December 2015 three communist parties are banned in Ukraine (the Communist Party of Ukraine, Communist Party of Ukraine (renewed) and Communist Party of Workers and Peasants). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decommunization_in_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decommunization_in_Ukraine
    - sixQuarks 3y ago
      What is the source that talks about him sending photos of military gear to Russian intelligence?
- mrighele 3y ago
  > he seems to be a very careful scumbag I would say that he is not. Going in person to a country that has been invaded and shilling for the invaders is not a very careful thing to do. Neither is getting out on bail and telling on social media that you're making a run for Hungary before you've actually done it.
- sixQuarks 3y ago
  Exactly. Free speech isn't about protecting speech you agree with, it's about protecting speech you don't agree with. I don't care how vile this man's thoughts are, it is not right to jail somebody for that and Ukraine is just as bad as Russia for doing so. It needs to be called out especially since we are sending a huge amount of money supporting them.
oaththrowaway 3y ago
I don't know anything about Gonzalo, but are you insinuating that it's okay for people to be locked up because they are accused of being pro-Putin?
- dralley 3y ago
  He got locked up for sending pictures of Ukrainian military equipment to Russian intelligence.
  - sixQuarks 3y ago
    Proof?
sixQuarks 3y ago
How is it false equivalence? If anything, Gonzalo's case is worse, he's actually been sent to prison and beaten. Dmitry will not even see jail. Both are for the same thought crimes.

slily 3y ago

Swap the politics and it looks exactly the same. Solely based on your comment anyway, I don't know either character. You should be aware of your own bias. It is disturbing to see Western "liberals" justify persecuting their political opponents.

sixQuarks 3y ago
Exactly. Look how my comment is getting downvoted. The hypocrisy is palpable. It doesn't matter how repulsive you think this man his, he's being jailed for what he said. How is this any better than Russia?

simonh 3y ago

It looks like Lira is a grade A scumbag, but he seems to be a very careful scumbag. If he’s being persecuted for voicing opinions, no matter how distasteful, that’s a problem.

dralley 3y ago
> he seems to be a very careful scumbag He live-tweeted his attempt to jump bail and illegally cross the border.
bombolo 3y ago
ukraine banned all political parties… in ukraine being for peace talks is a crime.
- simonh 3y ago
  They did not, there are about 300 political parties registered in Ukraine. They banned a handful of parties with ties to Russia. While I'm queasy about the treatment of this guy, he's a foreigner so why not just deport him, banning parties with explicit ties to your enemy in times of war seems prudent. - Hold that, it appears Lira is actually wanted for sending photos of military gear to Russian intelligence. I don't know how credible that accusation is, but I suppose we'll see.
  - bombolo 3y ago
    the pro russia were banned before the war. After the war much more were banned
    - simonh 3y ago
      I'm talking about the ones that were banned in March 2022 after the start of the invasion. I don't think any were banned before then.
      - bombolo 3y ago
        > Since 16 December 2015 three communist parties are banned in Ukraine (the Communist Party of Ukraine, Communist Party of Ukraine (renewed) and Communist Party of Workers and Peasants). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decommunization_in_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decommunization_in_Ukraine
  - sixQuarks 3y ago
    What is the source that talks about him sending photos of military gear to Russian intelligence?
mrighele 3y ago
> he seems to be a very careful scumbag I would say that he is not. Going in person to a country that has been invaded and shilling for the invaders is not a very careful thing to do. Neither is getting out on bail and telling on social media that you're making a run for Hungary before you've actually done it.
sixQuarks 3y ago
Exactly. Free speech isn't about protecting speech you agree with, it's about protecting speech you don't agree with. I don't care how vile this man's thoughts are, it is not right to jail somebody for that and Ukraine is just as bad as Russia for doing so. It needs to be called out especially since we are sending a huge amount of money supporting them.

oaththrowaway 3y ago

I don't know anything about Gonzalo, but are you insinuating that it's okay for people to be locked up because they are accused of being pro-Putin?

dralley 3y ago
He got locked up for sending pictures of Ukrainian military equipment to Russian intelligence.
- sixQuarks 3y ago
  Proof?

sixQuarks 3y ago

How is it false equivalence? If anything, Gonzalo's case is worse, he's actually been sent to prison and beaten. Dmitry will not even see jail. Both are for the same thought crimes.