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I went to this, was pretty disappointing. They clearly had a lot of money cause like a hundred Chromebooks were set up, but there was a 55 minute time limit and
by underyx 3y ago
I went to this, was pretty disappointing. They clearly had a lot of money cause like a hundred Chromebooks were set up, but there was a 55 minute time limit and it took 15 minutes of that just to load the waaay overloaded site and log in.
Then you were greeted with around 20-30 challenges ("make the model say something offensive", "make the model perform a math function incorrectly", "make the model reveal the secret credit card number") and for each of these, there were seven models to attack.
If you're competitive about it, the scoring was very poorly designed. Performing a math function incorrectly was worth around the same amount points as revealing a credit card number, even though most models will do math incorrectly by default, and you have to work quite a bit for a credit card number. What's worse is you get the same amount of points for breaking any of the seven anonymous models, so the optimum strategy was to just speedrun through each challenge identifying the weakest model.
There also seemed to be no way to tell how you actually did in the competition because to complete a challenge you had to submit your prompts for what I think was manual review, and none of my maybe eight solutions got reviewed while I was in the room, with no way to connect to the challenge site from outside.
- simonw 3y agoDo you know if that list of challenges is available online anywhere?
- toomuchtodo 3y agoMight end up on https://infocon.org/cons/DEF%20CON/DEF%20CON%2031/ https://infocon.org/cons/DEF%20CON/DEF%20CON%2031/ post con.
- nosmokewhereiam 3y agoSounds like a spin-off of the phonebooth social engineering village challenges. Time and luck can be overwhelming factors, just like in the real world. Appreciate your insight, hope you did well!
- 10g1k 3y agoGetting a bunch of hackers to do AI challenges is a free way to find problems with your AI models and fix them.
- throwanem 3y agoIf you're opaque enough up front about how it works, it's also a great way to be able to claim your models are more secure than anyone realized and you know this because [deliberately tendentious interpretation of nonpublic results here].
- dotnet00 3y agoAlso a great way to gather targeted malicious prompt data. Regardless of if the model failed or not, you're building up a "labeled" collection of prompts written with malicious intent. Potentially pretty useful for "cheating" around LLM security by just identifying and rejecting malicious prompts earlier.
- peteradio 3y ago> They clearly had a lot of money cause like a hundred Chromebooks were set up That's like all of 10K
- samstave 3y ago[flagged]
- binkHN 3y ago> ...a hundred Chromebooks were set up... I haven't been to any DEF CON events. Is hacking from a Chromebook normal? What's the reason they don't let you use your own device?
- antupis 3y agoCall me paranoid but I would want bring my own device to defcon.
- agrajag 3y agoIf you’re paranoid the worst thing to bring is a personal phone. The best thing would be a burner with nothing on it. I’d be okay using someone else’s chromebook though, at least you know what data you’re giving it.
- TheSpiceIsLife 3y agoThat’s going to get you flagged as willing and able to burn phones, a behaviour often associated with people who have reasons to burn phones.
- porkbeer 3y agoLike the security conscious type that would attend defcon? Bringing a burner phone is the norm.
- ospray 3y agoI think the intention was to harvest malicious prompts for future research, which they probably achieved. The organisers likely see everything else as optional extras.