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What truth is at stake in the case being discussed? That there's skeeziness within a family? What noble cause is being served? And at least within my social ci

What truth is at stake in the case being discussed? That there's skeeziness within a family? What noble cause is being served? And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country. As this is about the Biden family, it's generally agreed that if crimes occurred they should be investigated and tried. The key problem is that the detractors don't care about any crimes, they only seem to care that their political enemies are destroyed. tl,dr: the fomented outrage is purely political theater. Project Veritas is not a journalist endeavor -- it's a political black-ops organization that operates in bad faith.

hellgas00 3y ago
Thoughts on the discredited media smear that was Russia-gate and it's underlying "intel" that included accusations of pee tapes etc. I assume your include the news outlet peroginator Buzzfeed was a political black-ops organization that operated in bad faith.
smsm42 3y ago
People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). They also care a lot about things that aren't crimes but show them in negative light. Just as exactly the same is true about people on the left with regard to right wing politicians. And of course journalists are an active part of that. All that "our heroic intelligence professionals against their filthy traitorous spies" is good for movies, but doesn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. Veritas does on the right the same thing many do on the left - and you can call it "journalism" or you can call "journalism" only reprinting press releases and leaks from political operators, but finding and publishing negative information about politicians is how democracy works. And it can't work any other way - if there is nobody who does that, because all the press is more concerned about partisan cohesion, and is willing to lie and hide information for the benefit of the party, then informed democracy is impossible. And democracy where the information is controlled by the politicians is not a democracy at all - it's just a simulacrum.
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- pstuart 3y ago
  > People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). Really? Do they care about the crime itself or just who committed it? Do they think that crimes don't matter when their side does it? I'm fine with prosecuting Biden(s) for any legitimate crimes. I'm also more than fine with doing the same for his predecessor and every one else in office. Can you say the same?
  - smsm42 3y ago
    "Legitimate" does a lot of work here.
    - pstuart 3y ago
      There are accusations against Biden that have not yet been shown to be true in court or in committee. Do you only care if it's Joe Biden as the accused or do you care about the corruption implied by it?
      - smsm42 3y ago
        Wait, so you are saying "I'll support prosecuting Biden, but only if he's already been successfully prosecuted in court"? That's one brave commitment right here. Or you envision a situation where Biden's accusations are shown true by the court, but he's still not prosecuted - and in that case, your brave voice would be necessary to support correcting the situation? I hope our legal system, with all its flaws, is not as far gone as to just refuse to prosecute a person that has already been proven guilty, just because. Though to be honest, seeing the details of Hunter's deal, I can see where you may be coming from. > Do you only care if it's Joe Biden as the accused or do you care about the corruption implied by it? I care about both, naturally. So should everybody. I care that a person committed crimes of corruption, and I care that the same person has been occupying the post of VP of the United States, and now occupies the post of the President of the United States (of course, for persons that did not occupy such posts, I still care for the former, the latter just makes it so much worse). Of course, the detail that his name begins with "Bi" and ends with "den" is purely coincidental, neither me nor anybody else (including maybe his personal enemies?) cares about this. To the measure that anybody cares, his personality is completely irrelevant, his position and his crimes are both relevant. And the combination of the position and the crimes enhances this relevancy - it's one thing when a night guard on a used tire recycling plant is corrupt, another thing when it's the President.
smsm42 3y ago
> And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country The sad thing is that it very well may be that you believe it is true. That doesn't make it true however.

hellgas00 3y ago

Thoughts on the discredited media smear that was Russia-gate and it's underlying "intel" that included accusations of pee tapes etc. I assume your include the news outlet peroginator Buzzfeed was a political black-ops organization that operated in bad faith.

smsm42 3y ago

People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). They also care a lot about things that aren't crimes but show them in negative light. Just as exactly the same is true about people on the left with regard to right wing politicians. And of course journalists are an active part of that. All that "our heroic intelligence professionals against their filthy traitorous spies" is good for movies, but doesn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. Veritas does on the right the same thing many do on the left - and you can call it "journalism" or you can call "journalism" only reprinting press releases and leaks from political operators, but finding and publishing negative information about politicians is how democracy works. And it can't work any other way - if there is nobody who does that, because all the press is more concerned about partisan cohesion, and is willing to lie and hide information for the benefit of the party, then informed democracy is impossible. And democracy where the information is controlled by the politicians is not a democracy at all - it's just a simulacrum.

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pstuart 3y ago
> People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). Really? Do they care about the crime itself or just who committed it? Do they think that crimes don't matter when their side does it? I'm fine with prosecuting Biden(s) for any legitimate crimes. I'm also more than fine with doing the same for his predecessor and every one else in office. Can you say the same?
- smsm42 3y ago
  "Legitimate" does a lot of work here.
  - pstuart 3y ago
    There are accusations against Biden that have not yet been shown to be true in court or in committee. Do you only care if it's Joe Biden as the accused or do you care about the corruption implied by it?
    - smsm42 3y ago
      Wait, so you are saying "I'll support prosecuting Biden, but only if he's already been successfully prosecuted in court"? That's one brave commitment right here. Or you envision a situation where Biden's accusations are shown true by the court, but he's still not prosecuted - and in that case, your brave voice would be necessary to support correcting the situation? I hope our legal system, with all its flaws, is not as far gone as to just refuse to prosecute a person that has already been proven guilty, just because. Though to be honest, seeing the details of Hunter's deal, I can see where you may be coming from. > Do you only care if it's Joe Biden as the accused or do you care about the corruption implied by it? I care about both, naturally. So should everybody. I care that a person committed crimes of corruption, and I care that the same person has been occupying the post of VP of the United States, and now occupies the post of the President of the United States (of course, for persons that did not occupy such posts, I still care for the former, the latter just makes it so much worse). Of course, the detail that his name begins with "Bi" and ends with "den" is purely coincidental, neither me nor anybody else (including maybe his personal enemies?) cares about this. To the measure that anybody cares, his personality is completely irrelevant, his position and his crimes are both relevant. And the combination of the position and the crimes enhances this relevancy - it's one thing when a night guard on a used tire recycling plant is corrupt, another thing when it's the President.

smsm42 3y ago

> And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country The sad thing is that it very well may be that you believe it is true. That doesn't make it true however.