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This is the reason why we can't do anything in Russia. The power here is trained to find the growth points of potential protest organizers and destroy them at t

This is the reason why we can't do anything in Russia. The power here is trained to find the growth points of potential protest organizers and destroy them at the stage of origin. Recently, Navalny was tightened by measures in prison and extended his term. Any organizer of the rally is put on a pencil and special forces come to it and his relatives and knocks out the doors. The rest understand that jokes are bad. All social networks and Russian chats are now supervised by Putin's close associates. They have access to correspondence in chats and SMS and there are special algorithms that can find these points in the field. No jokes. You will be caught when you are still small and raped in prison if you continue to bend your line. Even Navalny, who was simply a tremendous popularity among young people in the late 10s, can no longer do anything with this. What else to expect from the country of total repressions and terror in the past and the country in which power is privatized by oligarchs from the special services. The only achievement of Putin is his psychopathic ability to isolate and destroy people. Well, clearly working on psychology clinging to the vile historical past in which one of the relatives or relatives of friends could be in the frosty camps of the Far North (read at your leisure about USSR concentration camps). They don’t just do anything with this but on the contrary the Kremlin propagandists encourage not to be forgotten so that people do not relax and knew "their place". Any public protest in large cities now use face recognition alghorithms + phone location. And for each oligarch there is a folder with crimes - otherwise you simply will not become an oligarch without gluing like in typical Italian movie about the mafia. To not jump from the boat. The exception is Oleg Tinkov - a kind of punk in Russian business.

penneallagricia 3y ago
Navalny is a corrupt racist, politically a Russian Guaidó. If he's all the opposition to be found in Russia, then there is no opposition.
- dralley 3y ago
  Nemtsov was assassinated in 2015, Kara-Murza is in jail, Kasparov left the country after being arrested and threatened.
  - secondary_op 3y ago
    Nemtsov is indeed a great loss for Russia. On the other hand, Kara-Murza was literally and openly an actor playing against the country's national interests. He was running around Washington, DC, providing intelligence on who the U.S. should sanction next in Russia. It is not hard to imagine a reversed scenario of a hypothetical U.S. statesman who, for years, was sitting on a couch in the Kremlin and instantly jailed during wartime. Kasparov might be good at chess, but it does not mean he is good at anything else. In fact, if you watch interviews with him, it is not hard to see that he is awful in geopolitics. He openly admits to being a monetary bridge between Washington and Navalny. Of course, no sane country needs foreign interference and destabilization through NGOs. It is not hard to imagine the consequences for such activity in the U.S.
    - qwytw 3y ago
      > but it does not mean he is good at anything else. Possibly, but it's pretty hard/impossible for Russians who might be good in geopolitics/public administration/etc. to rise to a position where anybody would be willing to listen to them. Just like most famous dissidents in the USSR were scientists, artists etc. because any person even marginally related to politics was either working for the state/party or was heavily tainted by association with it. There were simply no venues for an independent opposition to form. Putin's Russia is not at all different from the post 50s USSR in this way. > Of course, no sane country needs foreign interference and destabilization through NGOs Good because Russia is the opposite of a 'sane' country. > It is not hard to imagine the consequences for such activity in the U.S. Unless you work for Israel or some of the Gulf states. Also last I checked the U.S. government does allow people to openly criticize its policies (or even to actively and publicly undermine them) without the threat of prison so I'm not quite sure what are you getting at...
      - secondary_op 3y ago
        > Possibly, but it's pretty hard/impossible for Russians who might be good in geopolitics/public administration/etc. to rise to a position where anybody would be willing to listen to them. The U.S. or any other behemoth corporation is no different, rendering this argument meaningless. Why is it that, in a country of 300 million people, there are only a handful of individuals to choose from for the presidency, and they often come from the same families as before? (rhetorical) > Good because Russia is the opposite of a 'sane' country. There is nothing commendable about disrupting the lives of others for personal gain. There are some western countries with practices much more questionable than Russia; this became evident during the COVID-19 measures. Some countries seemingly simulated concentration camps for their citizens without delivering actual benefits, unlike Russia. > U.S. government does allow people to openly criticize its policies There is a considerable amount of open criticism in Russia, and individuals are not being incarcerated or silenced for it. However, when someone engages in double-dealing, harming their own people for personal gain, it is labeled as betrayal just like in U.S., or any other stable power structure.

penneallagricia 3y ago

Navalny is a corrupt racist, politically a Russian Guaidó. If he's all the opposition to be found in Russia, then there is no opposition.

dralley 3y ago
Nemtsov was assassinated in 2015, Kara-Murza is in jail, Kasparov left the country after being arrested and threatened.
- secondary_op 3y ago
  Nemtsov is indeed a great loss for Russia. On the other hand, Kara-Murza was literally and openly an actor playing against the country's national interests. He was running around Washington, DC, providing intelligence on who the U.S. should sanction next in Russia. It is not hard to imagine a reversed scenario of a hypothetical U.S. statesman who, for years, was sitting on a couch in the Kremlin and instantly jailed during wartime. Kasparov might be good at chess, but it does not mean he is good at anything else. In fact, if you watch interviews with him, it is not hard to see that he is awful in geopolitics. He openly admits to being a monetary bridge between Washington and Navalny. Of course, no sane country needs foreign interference and destabilization through NGOs. It is not hard to imagine the consequences for such activity in the U.S.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    > but it does not mean he is good at anything else. Possibly, but it's pretty hard/impossible for Russians who might be good in geopolitics/public administration/etc. to rise to a position where anybody would be willing to listen to them. Just like most famous dissidents in the USSR were scientists, artists etc. because any person even marginally related to politics was either working for the state/party or was heavily tainted by association with it. There were simply no venues for an independent opposition to form. Putin's Russia is not at all different from the post 50s USSR in this way. > Of course, no sane country needs foreign interference and destabilization through NGOs Good because Russia is the opposite of a 'sane' country. > It is not hard to imagine the consequences for such activity in the U.S. Unless you work for Israel or some of the Gulf states. Also last I checked the U.S. government does allow people to openly criticize its policies (or even to actively and publicly undermine them) without the threat of prison so I'm not quite sure what are you getting at...
    - secondary_op 3y ago
      > Possibly, but it's pretty hard/impossible for Russians who might be good in geopolitics/public administration/etc. to rise to a position where anybody would be willing to listen to them. The U.S. or any other behemoth corporation is no different, rendering this argument meaningless. Why is it that, in a country of 300 million people, there are only a handful of individuals to choose from for the presidency, and they often come from the same families as before? (rhetorical) > Good because Russia is the opposite of a 'sane' country. There is nothing commendable about disrupting the lives of others for personal gain. There are some western countries with practices much more questionable than Russia; this became evident during the COVID-19 measures. Some countries seemingly simulated concentration camps for their citizens without delivering actual benefits, unlike Russia. > U.S. government does allow people to openly criticize its policies There is a considerable amount of open criticism in Russia, and individuals are not being incarcerated or silenced for it. However, when someone engages in double-dealing, harming their own people for personal gain, it is labeled as betrayal just like in U.S., or any other stable power structure.