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Hope in Russia in the 90's? That's not what you're saying is it? Yeltsin staged a coup with the help of the US, leading to the largest drop in life expectancy i

Hope in Russia in the 90's? That's not what you're saying is it? Yeltsin staged a coup with the help of the US, leading to the largest drop in life expectancy in recorded history, and a never before seen rise in crime, and massive inequality with the rise of the oligarchs thanks to the Chicago School economists who implemented shock therapy.

FreshStart 3y ago
The killing fields of that ideology had ripe harvests.. Insane that people can still revive all that, while other hate crime ideologies stay dead one disproven.
- logdap 3y ago
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kspacewalk2 3y ago
If shock therapy was actually implemented, we'd see results similar to Poland. Instead, the requirements were pushed out and Russia became a mafia state.
- pydry 3y ago
  640% inflation and -10% GDP growth? Yeah, it wasn't far off that.
- FreshStart 3y ago
  It's never real ism. But we can have it once all the resistance dies?
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stefan_ 3y ago
Who gives a fuck, it secured the freedom of 150M others and guess what, they went on to eclipse Russia. Crime, oligarchs, Putin - they made their choice.
0xDEF 3y ago
>Yeltsin staged a coup with the help of the US A blatant lie that keeps getting repeated. Yeltsin hired some American campaigners and advertisers because he wanted a loud Western-style election campaign. It's funny how Yeltsin having American campaign/advertising advisers has been spun into claims that the US did a coup in Russia.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  Everything is a coup,conspiracy or similar if things are not to your liking... but yeah dealing with official russian news you'll get significantly more truth if you simply negate everything they say, lie is official tool and all sides understand that. One thing west didn't properly grok - russia was never your friend. Never, ever. There was no period where this was true, not even in 90s, not when we talk about people on top. Paranoid suspicion and fear of losing power to steal and control entire country was too much for those in power. Especially since now you could actually steal last bolt and nut, unlike during communism where everything was state owned by definition and you competed only for power trip and some basic benefits on top of what many others had.
  - mushbino 3y ago
    This is just an anti-Russia rant with no historical substance. Can you tell us the last time the news in the US spoke critically of a foreign war at the time?
    - fractallyte 3y ago
      The parent poster's statement is accurate, with ample evidence apparent from the current war in Ukraine. The Kremlin lies, period. And a government composed of people who lie, backstab, and cheat each other and their population to this extent - again, with ample evidence from history since 1917 - is NEVER to be trusted, and ALWAYS an enemy.
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wkat4242 3y ago
Did the US really help Yeltsin? I thought Gorbachev was highly praised by the west.
- mushbino 3y ago
  We did. Yeltsin was basically a US puppet, hence the shelling of the Duma. Gorbechav started down the road to collapse with help from the West.
- darthrupert 3y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-election-interference-meddling/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-el... Well, kinda, but not in the way russian propaganda and delusions project. Clinton wantes to help Russia join the human civilization but Putin throwed all that to trash. And now Putin wants the human civilization to join barbarism, with the help of populist right.
yieldcrv 3y ago
Oligarchs inspire me, its like so many random people in that society understood capitalism more than educated economists in the West The accounting gimmicks, the revenue streams, the segregated assets, I learn so much replaying what oligarchs did when the state had to divest of everything
derriz 3y ago
"The largest drop in life expectancy in recorded history"? Life expectancy dropped by 2.56 years between 1990 and 1999 in Russia. Not great but not even close to being historically significant. Life expectancy in the USA dropped by nearly 3 years in the space of 2 years between 2019 and 2021. More than the entire 1990s in Russia. Or if you want to see what an extreme drop in life expectancy looks like, it dropped by 16 years in between 1940 and 1945 in Germany.

FreshStart 3y ago

The killing fields of that ideology had ripe harvests.. Insane that people can still revive all that, while other hate crime ideologies stay dead one disproven.

logdap 3y ago
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kspacewalk2 3y ago

If shock therapy was actually implemented, we'd see results similar to Poland. Instead, the requirements were pushed out and Russia became a mafia state.

pydry 3y ago
640% inflation and -10% GDP growth? Yeah, it wasn't far off that.
FreshStart 3y ago
It's never real ism. But we can have it once all the resistance dies?

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stefan_ 3y ago

Who gives a fuck, it secured the freedom of 150M others and guess what, they went on to eclipse Russia. Crime, oligarchs, Putin - they made their choice.

0xDEF 3y ago

>Yeltsin staged a coup with the help of the US A blatant lie that keeps getting repeated. Yeltsin hired some American campaigners and advertisers because he wanted a loud Western-style election campaign. It's funny how Yeltsin having American campaign/advertising advisers has been spun into claims that the US did a coup in Russia.

saiya-jin 3y ago
Everything is a coup,conspiracy or similar if things are not to your liking... but yeah dealing with official russian news you'll get significantly more truth if you simply negate everything they say, lie is official tool and all sides understand that. One thing west didn't properly grok - russia was never your friend. Never, ever. There was no period where this was true, not even in 90s, not when we talk about people on top. Paranoid suspicion and fear of losing power to steal and control entire country was too much for those in power. Especially since now you could actually steal last bolt and nut, unlike during communism where everything was state owned by definition and you competed only for power trip and some basic benefits on top of what many others had.
- mushbino 3y ago
  This is just an anti-Russia rant with no historical substance. Can you tell us the last time the news in the US spoke critically of a foreign war at the time?
  - fractallyte 3y ago
    The parent poster's statement is accurate, with ample evidence apparent from the current war in Ukraine. The Kremlin lies, period. And a government composed of people who lie, backstab, and cheat each other and their population to this extent - again, with ample evidence from history since 1917 - is NEVER to be trusted, and ALWAYS an enemy.
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wkat4242 3y ago

Did the US really help Yeltsin? I thought Gorbachev was highly praised by the west.

mushbino 3y ago
We did. Yeltsin was basically a US puppet, hence the shelling of the Duma. Gorbechav started down the road to collapse with help from the West.
darthrupert 3y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-election-interference-meddling/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-el... Well, kinda, but not in the way russian propaganda and delusions project. Clinton wantes to help Russia join the human civilization but Putin throwed all that to trash. And now Putin wants the human civilization to join barbarism, with the help of populist right.

yieldcrv 3y ago

Oligarchs inspire me, its like so many random people in that society understood capitalism more than educated economists in the West The accounting gimmicks, the revenue streams, the segregated assets, I learn so much replaying what oligarchs did when the state had to divest of everything

derriz 3y ago

"The largest drop in life expectancy in recorded history"? Life expectancy dropped by 2.56 years between 1990 and 1999 in Russia. Not great but not even close to being historically significant. Life expectancy in the USA dropped by nearly 3 years in the space of 2 years between 2019 and 2021. More than the entire 1990s in Russia. Or if you want to see what an extreme drop in life expectancy looks like, it dropped by 16 years in between 1940 and 1945 in Germany.