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Dev wages have to come down. The last 10 years have been crazy. Lots of devs are paid like doctors, without the limited supply or years of expensive training. I

by rr808 3y ago

Dev wages have to come down. The last 10 years have been crazy. Lots of devs are paid like doctors, without the limited supply or years of expensive training. It wasn't going to last.

ArcticLandfall 3y ago
As someone genuinely passionate about technology who sees the 90% in it for just the easy money at college, I'm very happy. Less superficial monetary incentive means people who are truly passionate about the craft will have more of an opportunity to shine.
- schrodinger 3y ago
  Agreed. Once the wages got noticed, a lot of ppl got into programming for the money not the passion. Now don't get me wrong, I'll retire the second I can and am not programming for fun all the time, but I did get into out of legitimate passion and truly enjoy solving problems in tech. I do agree part of the situation now is a lot of ppl who only went into it for the money.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  if you're passionate about technology then hows about you do it for less, and let the rest of us who need to feed a family get that $$$
grumpy_coder 3y ago
The wages went up precisely because of the limited supply and years of training needed for devs. You get a really biased view when working in a tech company, but the vast majority of people can't code, and when they try to learn don't get beyond hello world.
- rr808 3y ago
  > but the vast majority of people can't code, The vast majority of people can't fix their car engine, teach a classroom of kids or cook in a restaurant. Doesn't stop those professions from being 5 figure jobs.
  - vunderba 3y ago
    The vast majority of people can't fix their car engine, teach a classroom of kids or cook in a restaurant. Doesn't stop those professions from being 5 figure jobs. I never found teaching to be an exceptionally difficult task. The vast majority of people don't want to teach young children, because it entails a great deal of stamina, patience, and passion. These are far easier to cultivate than the logical and analytic mind which engineering typically requires. And your cooking example is so far off base I don't even know how to respond to it. Cooking at an average TGI Fridays requires you to follow a set of prescriptive steps, follow the recipe... and that's it. Unless you're talking about working at a Michelin star restaurant, it's a rote job.
  - hnfong 3y ago
    > > but the vast majority of people can't code, The original quote was: "the vast majority of people can't code, and when they try to learn don't get beyond hello world." That you chose to cut short the original sentence is quite interesting. Are you sure you can say that it's hard to learn in the fields you mentioned?
discordance 3y ago
Doctors/Health vs Tech isn't a fair comparison. Look at the revenue per employee for large tech companies (2023): Apple: 2.4m Google: 1.5m Meta: 1.5m Amazon: 300k Microsoft: 900k Source: https://fourweekmba.com/revenue-per-employee-in-big-tech/ https://fourweekmba.com/revenue-per-employee-in-big-tech/

by rr808 3y ago

Dev wages have to come down. The last 10 years have been crazy. Lots of devs are paid like doctors, without the limited supply or years of expensive training. It wasn't going to last.

ArcticLandfall 3y ago

As someone genuinely passionate about technology who sees the 90% in it for just the easy money at college, I'm very happy. Less superficial monetary incentive means people who are truly passionate about the craft will have more of an opportunity to shine.

schrodinger 3y ago
Agreed. Once the wages got noticed, a lot of ppl got into programming for the money not the passion. Now don't get me wrong, I'll retire the second I can and am not programming for fun all the time, but I did get into out of legitimate passion and truly enjoy solving problems in tech. I do agree part of the situation now is a lot of ppl who only went into it for the money.
red-iron-pine 3y ago
if you're passionate about technology then hows about you do it for less, and let the rest of us who need to feed a family get that $$$

grumpy_coder 3y ago

The wages went up precisely because of the limited supply and years of training needed for devs. You get a really biased view when working in a tech company, but the vast majority of people can't code, and when they try to learn don't get beyond hello world.

rr808 3y ago
> but the vast majority of people can't code, The vast majority of people can't fix their car engine, teach a classroom of kids or cook in a restaurant. Doesn't stop those professions from being 5 figure jobs.
- vunderba 3y ago
  The vast majority of people can't fix their car engine, teach a classroom of kids or cook in a restaurant. Doesn't stop those professions from being 5 figure jobs. I never found teaching to be an exceptionally difficult task. The vast majority of people don't want to teach young children, because it entails a great deal of stamina, patience, and passion. These are far easier to cultivate than the logical and analytic mind which engineering typically requires. And your cooking example is so far off base I don't even know how to respond to it. Cooking at an average TGI Fridays requires you to follow a set of prescriptive steps, follow the recipe... and that's it. Unless you're talking about working at a Michelin star restaurant, it's a rote job.
- hnfong 3y ago
  > > but the vast majority of people can't code, The original quote was: "the vast majority of people can't code, and when they try to learn don't get beyond hello world." That you chose to cut short the original sentence is quite interesting. Are you sure you can say that it's hard to learn in the fields you mentioned?

discordance 3y ago

Doctors/Health vs Tech isn't a fair comparison. Look at the revenue per employee for large tech companies (2023): Apple: 2.4m Google: 1.5m Meta: 1.5m Amazon: 300k Microsoft: 900k Source: https://fourweekmba.com/revenue-per-employee-in-big-tech/ https://fourweekmba.com/revenue-per-employee-in-big-tech/