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I don't believe the unemployment rate is as low as they claim. A low unemployment rate would mean employees would be less picky but they aren't. It is almost im

I don't believe the unemployment rate is as low as they claim. A low unemployment rate would mean employees would be less picky but they aren't. It is almost impossible to find a job right now. It is definitely tough to do research. A lot of the jobs posted are fake.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
I see lots of employers who are not picky. Hotels, grocery stores, hospitals, warehouses, construction crews, transportation businesses, etc. Employers in one sector being picky is not evidence of all employers being picky.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > I see lots of employers who are not picky. Hotels, grocery stores, hospitals, warehouses, construction crews, transportation businesses, etc. Jobs aren't getting filled because they're in places people can't afford to live. Right now that's most places - including places that had been affordable for generations but aren't any more. This all should be easily understood but it often isn't.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Insufficient pay can surely be a cause for some employers not being able to be picky, but that does not mean the official unemployment rate is false. I think what people are dancing around is percent of people employed with minimum “acceptable” pay to quality of life at work ratio, which includes the location of the work. This figure may very well be trending down, but is not an official figure, and it seems like a difficult metric to calculate anyway.
    - zlg_codes 3y ago
      The 'official' unemployment rate doesn't include people who aren't actively looking within X time. I would not trust the government to accurately report on a statistic that makes it look bad.
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        There is an official unemployment rate that includes people who are not actively looking within X time. See U-6 unemployment rate: https://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm >U-6 is the broadest measure of labor underutilization. In addition to the total number of unemployed and all people marginally attached to the labor force, U-6 includes people at work part time for economic reasons (also called involuntary part-time workers) and is expressed as a percentage of the civilian labor force plus the marginally attached. >U-6 is calculated as: ( (Total Unemployed + Marginally Attached to the Labor Force + People at Work Part Time for Economic Reasons) ÷ (Labor Force + Marginally Attached to the Labor Force) ) x 100
        WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
        I've never run across that before. I think a lot about the 20 percentage points who aren't reflected in the official BOLS' rate. Specifically about the ones who would absolutely work but are daunted by their significant barriers to job entry. I'm hopeful these charts will reflect at least some of them.
        lotsofpulp 3y ago
        There is always labor force participation rate if you want all encompassing: https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-lab...
- zlg_codes 3y ago
  And most, if not all of those jobs, are bad for your health and don't pay anywhere close to what's necessary to make up for the stress on your body. Most jobs are crap, and so are most employers. They want warm bodies to wear out and make money. Generally, unpicky employers point to a high-turnover, high-stress, low paying environment. You couldn't pay me enough to work those shit jobs.
mcmcmc 3y ago
Something to consider is that unemployment rates only account for people who are actively in the job market/applying for jobs, and the workforce participation rate dropped significantly with Covid. If you get so discouraged that you stop looking for work, you are no longer counted as "unemployed"

lotsofpulp 3y ago

I see lots of employers who are not picky. Hotels, grocery stores, hospitals, warehouses, construction crews, transportation businesses, etc. Employers in one sector being picky is not evidence of all employers being picky.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> I see lots of employers who are not picky. Hotels, grocery stores, hospitals, warehouses, construction crews, transportation businesses, etc. Jobs aren't getting filled because they're in places people can't afford to live. Right now that's most places - including places that had been affordable for generations but aren't any more. This all should be easily understood but it often isn't.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Insufficient pay can surely be a cause for some employers not being able to be picky, but that does not mean the official unemployment rate is false. I think what people are dancing around is percent of people employed with minimum “acceptable” pay to quality of life at work ratio, which includes the location of the work. This figure may very well be trending down, but is not an official figure, and it seems like a difficult metric to calculate anyway.
  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    The 'official' unemployment rate doesn't include people who aren't actively looking within X time. I would not trust the government to accurately report on a statistic that makes it look bad.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      There is an official unemployment rate that includes people who are not actively looking within X time. See U-6 unemployment rate: https://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm >U-6 is the broadest measure of labor underutilization. In addition to the total number of unemployed and all people marginally attached to the labor force, U-6 includes people at work part time for economic reasons (also called involuntary part-time workers) and is expressed as a percentage of the civilian labor force plus the marginally attached. >U-6 is calculated as: ( (Total Unemployed + Marginally Attached to the Labor Force + People at Work Part Time for Economic Reasons) ÷ (Labor Force + Marginally Attached to the Labor Force) ) x 100
      - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
        I've never run across that before. I think a lot about the 20 percentage points who aren't reflected in the official BOLS' rate. Specifically about the ones who would absolutely work but are daunted by their significant barriers to job entry. I'm hopeful these charts will reflect at least some of them.
        lotsofpulp 3y ago
        There is always labor force participation rate if you want all encompassing: https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-lab...
zlg_codes 3y ago
And most, if not all of those jobs, are bad for your health and don't pay anywhere close to what's necessary to make up for the stress on your body. Most jobs are crap, and so are most employers. They want warm bodies to wear out and make money. Generally, unpicky employers point to a high-turnover, high-stress, low paying environment. You couldn't pay me enough to work those shit jobs.

mcmcmc 3y ago

Something to consider is that unemployment rates only account for people who are actively in the job market/applying for jobs, and the workforce participation rate dropped significantly with Covid. If you get so discouraged that you stop looking for work, you are no longer counted as "unemployed"