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From my personal and limited view I agree. But to be honest, I don't trust neither, at all, probably forever. MS actively destroyed 1 decent thing I liked about

From my personal and limited view I agree. But to be honest, I don't trust neither, at all, probably forever. MS actively destroyed 1 decent thing I liked about them, their OS. First they tried to make it better and actually succeeded over the years (anybody who went from Windows 95/98 into 2000/XP and realized MS can actually make stable usable modern OS would probably agree, 7 was their best OS for me). And then they went with telemetry on product that really shouldn't have any, in same vein BIOS or drivers shouldn't have any. And despite overall feedback they doubled down with it in 11. No sympathy nor morality there.

formerly_proven 3y ago
All of these companies are obviously totally untrustworthy and anyone trying to convince you otherwise is either incredibly naive, stupid or has an ulterior motive.
- jrm4 3y ago
  "Totally" is just unhelpful. They all have ideas and incentives and motives, and the world hasn't yet collapsed. Yes, watch them carefully, but, e.g. I don't think the world is improved if we just annihilate Google and Microsoft.
imchillyb 3y ago
NSLs and FISAs are insidious and powerful tools that the US Federal government utilizes against the populace. Once the government sets about forcing requirements, those two tools ensure that the companies, organizations, or individuals, cannot speak to the requirements or that there was a discussion at all. Never attribute to malice which can be easily attributed to stupidity. Secret courts, and secret squirrel government activities against its own populace are definitely stupid.
- convolvatron 3y ago
  occams razor points to grift sure there is some dodgy govt stuff going on, but tracking peoples activities and selling it on the open market is pure sleeze
- logdap 3y ago
  Secret courts aren't an accident. "Whoops my hand slipped and I accidentally drafted thousands of pages of legislation!" No, secret courts are deliberate and malicious. Hanlon's razor is for credulous fools.

formerly_proven 3y ago

All of these companies are obviously totally untrustworthy and anyone trying to convince you otherwise is either incredibly naive, stupid or has an ulterior motive.

jrm4 3y ago
"Totally" is just unhelpful. They all have ideas and incentives and motives, and the world hasn't yet collapsed. Yes, watch them carefully, but, e.g. I don't think the world is improved if we just annihilate Google and Microsoft.

imchillyb 3y ago

NSLs and FISAs are insidious and powerful tools that the US Federal government utilizes against the populace. Once the government sets about forcing requirements, those two tools ensure that the companies, organizations, or individuals, cannot speak to the requirements or that there was a discussion at all. Never attribute to malice which can be easily attributed to stupidity. Secret courts, and secret squirrel government activities against its own populace are definitely stupid.

convolvatron 3y ago
occams razor points to grift sure there is some dodgy govt stuff going on, but tracking peoples activities and selling it on the open market is pure sleeze
logdap 3y ago
Secret courts aren't an accident. "Whoops my hand slipped and I accidentally drafted thousands of pages of legislation!" No, secret courts are deliberate and malicious. Hanlon's razor is for credulous fools.