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Not if you don’t have the money or time because you’re working three jobs. Or you have kids from a previous divorce and can’t leave the state or you never see t

by borski 3y ago

Not if you don’t have the money or time because you’re working three jobs. Or you have kids from a previous divorce and can’t leave the state or you never see them again.

WalterBright 3y ago
> Not if you don’t have the money The homeless in Seattle are largely not from Seattle. Somehow they managed to get here. So do the people who come by the millions, walking across the continent to get into the US. In fact, America was populated by poor people coming from Europe. The Titanic's money maker wasn't the first class section, it was steerage. Maybe check out Ellis Island. Chicago was populated by poor people looking for work. The American West was settled with people with no money. > Or you have kids from a previous divorce and can’t leave the state That's the result of choices the person made. I wonder what the schools teach about American history :-/
- borski 3y ago
  I wonder what the schools teach about economics :-/ Please don’t attempt to educate me on the idea that “poor people can move.” My parents were poor immigrants and moved twice, across two continents, with nothing in their pockets, to try and make a better life. That does not mean they could do that today. The economy has changed. Cost of living has gone up dramatically. There is no more “western frontier” where one can luck out and find gold. It is much much harder to move now than ever before. And that’s before you get to the fact that my parents were here illegally for almost 30 years, but had SSNs, paid taxes, handled all their debt, did not take government handouts/subsidies, never got in trouble, and so on. They were able to do that because paperwork back then was … paper, and they could find people to make it work. Today they’d be deported. With all due respect, your point of view is marred by the fact that you’ve had success. Spend some time actually talking to some poor people, before you start to tell them why they are poor. As for “That's the result of choices the person made,” this is a dumb argument. Condoms break. Abortion is illegal in many states. Divorces happen because of things that are not entirely in someone’s control, even after years of happy marriage (i.e. someone cheats). Full custody is something only courts can grant, not your own choices. If you can’t get it, you can’t leave the state, or you don’t get to see your kid again. That has nothing to do with your choice to get married to the love of your life and have a child with them. The logical conclusion of your argument is “well you can choose to leave your kid behind” which is nonsense. Please consider that your perspective may be biased by not having actually spoken to anyone in the situations you purport to know so much about.
- l3mure 3y ago
  > The American West was settled with people with no money. Gee, almost like massive parcels of land were given away to incentivize that. Truly one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this website.

by borski 3y ago

Not if you don’t have the money or time because you’re working three jobs. Or you have kids from a previous divorce and can’t leave the state or you never see them again.

WalterBright 3y ago

> Not if you don’t have the money The homeless in Seattle are largely not from Seattle. Somehow they managed to get here. So do the people who come by the millions, walking across the continent to get into the US. In fact, America was populated by poor people coming from Europe. The Titanic's money maker wasn't the first class section, it was steerage. Maybe check out Ellis Island. Chicago was populated by poor people looking for work. The American West was settled with people with no money. > Or you have kids from a previous divorce and can’t leave the state That's the result of choices the person made. I wonder what the schools teach about American history :-/

borski 3y ago
I wonder what the schools teach about economics :-/ Please don’t attempt to educate me on the idea that “poor people can move.” My parents were poor immigrants and moved twice, across two continents, with nothing in their pockets, to try and make a better life. That does not mean they could do that today. The economy has changed. Cost of living has gone up dramatically. There is no more “western frontier” where one can luck out and find gold. It is much much harder to move now than ever before. And that’s before you get to the fact that my parents were here illegally for almost 30 years, but had SSNs, paid taxes, handled all their debt, did not take government handouts/subsidies, never got in trouble, and so on. They were able to do that because paperwork back then was … paper, and they could find people to make it work. Today they’d be deported. With all due respect, your point of view is marred by the fact that you’ve had success. Spend some time actually talking to some poor people, before you start to tell them why they are poor. As for “That's the result of choices the person made,” this is a dumb argument. Condoms break. Abortion is illegal in many states. Divorces happen because of things that are not entirely in someone’s control, even after years of happy marriage (i.e. someone cheats). Full custody is something only courts can grant, not your own choices. If you can’t get it, you can’t leave the state, or you don’t get to see your kid again. That has nothing to do with your choice to get married to the love of your life and have a child with them. The logical conclusion of your argument is “well you can choose to leave your kid behind” which is nonsense. Please consider that your perspective may be biased by not having actually spoken to anyone in the situations you purport to know so much about.
l3mure 3y ago
> The American West was settled with people with no money. Gee, almost like massive parcels of land were given away to incentivize that. Truly one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this website.