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I'm sorry - I just don't believe a word of it! But there's a simple way to test it! Roll up a newspaper or some sheets of paper, bake it until blackened, the
by verisimi 3y ago
I'm sorry - I just don't believe a word of it!
But there's a simple way to test it!
Roll up a newspaper or some sheets of paper, bake it until blackened, then pull out the charred remains and have this fancy tech tell us what it sees. You could easily verify whether what it says is true and whether any of the interpretions" correlate in any way with the newspaper that went in.
In fact, this would be the right way to iteratively develop your process, hone your software, etc - you would have some criteria with which gauge that this is viable. As opposed to a process that is bound to find something even in white noise.
Alternatively, you could just get ai trained on ancient greek, give it some noise, get it to generate some text, and call it an amazing ancient greek discovery!
> The entirety of the ancient corpus today can fit on a small bookshelf.
This person hasn't been to the local bookshop - there are many bookshelves worth of ancient texts. There are bibles, other religious writings, ancient plays, ancient history, science, philosophical works, etc. Or, Casey is right... in which case, what is the provenance of all those purportedly ancient texts?
- verisimi 3y agoIts amazing to me that I think I'm stating the obvious - that you can't read burnt paper - and yet I'm downvoted, with no comment to explain why the downvote. I guess people like to live in a fantasy reality, where technology is capable of magic, and anyone who questions what sounds like a lovely story is just mean. Downvote!
- angiosperm 3y agoPeople are encouraged to post facts, not lazy, random speculation. Please read the posting guidelines.
- verisimi 3y agoAt least you are expressing something about your discontent - so thank you for giving me the opportunity to respond. Perhaps its random speculation to you, but I cannot read what was written on burnt paper. I don't think the idea that some software/hardware fix can or ever could read what was written on burnt paper is viable. However, I'm not just criticising the purported facts. I'm also offering a suggestion whereby I can be shown to be wrong, as I suggest a verifiable way to prove this idea works. I'm saying that you should surely test this system out on something that you can prove works, before rolling the idea out onto actual historical artefacts and adding to the ancient works on the bookshelf. I just don't see what's objectionable to what I'm saying - it seems entirely based in common sense. However, I think it upsets people, as it snaps them out of a 'merry daydream' they have about how wonderful technology is.
- angiosperm 3y agoWhat is objectionable is that you are just making shit up. Calling it "common sense" does not help. It is a fact that actually-ancient manuscripts are vanishingly scarce; almost everything you cite on bookshelves today is from copies of copies of copies. And, extended text has already been extracted from charred scrolls from that very site, albeit destructively. So, what you insist is impossible has already been done. The goal is to do it better. You could have found out all this yourself with a tiny amount of reading, and not wasted everybody's time.
- verisimi 3y agoIs it ok with you if I base my thoughts on my own experiences, rather than this or that claim on a website? In your experience, can you really read text on paper, once it has been pyrolysed/burnt?
- angiosperm 3y agoThink any way you like. I doesn't make the rules for what you can post without getting dinged. I have read text on undisturbed burnt paper, in the past. (Of course, what they have is not paper.) If you believe you cannot, then you certainly cannot, but you are not asked to. They have been doing it, and will continue. Among modern marvels you accept daily without demur, it does not stand out.
- verisimi 3y agoDoes reading an academic text trump personal experience?
- angiosperm 3y agoYour personal inability to read text off charred, rolled paper tells us literally nothing about whether the people actually doing it can. If a paper implied that nobody could, but you were doing it, that would be of interest provided you could explain how.
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