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> Ask Norway This... The entire article could have been shortened to those two words.

by Simon_O_Rourke 3y ago

dna_polymerase 3y ago
The article is about shaming her for having some sort of privilege and what she wants to do about it.
- karmakurtisaani 3y ago
  It, in fact, is not.
  - dna_polymerase 3y ago
    > “She has better politics than anyone else who’s that rich, and she’s better at fund-raising than anyone else with her politics,” Max Berger, who worked on Elizabeth Warren’s Presidential campaign in 2020, told me. Is all you need to know about the direction of this idiotic culture war piece.
    - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
      Nope. I read it and found many interesting points on how the ultra rich on the left operate, as well as about this family that I had never heard of. If you want to see it as a culture war piece, then you will see it as a culture war piece, can't really help with that.
Epa095 3y ago
The philosophy behind Norways management of the oil wealth is that the natural resources are the property of every future generation, not just the one that happens to extract the wealth. So it is invested to last "forever", and max 3% is taken out of the found every year. This had the added benefit of avoiding the "Dutch disease". Importantly, the goal is NOT to make a better world in general, but to secure income for the future generations while avoiding "clearly very bad stuff". Typical middle of the road stuff. This is a political discussion, and some parties want to "pull the wealth out of the hands of the money-bureaucrats and back under democratic controll" and use it to make a better world, even if means spending a significant chunk of future generations money. But currently the dominating view is that the primary goal of the wealth found should be a stable income, while avoiding the worst companies. I don't know if this is a satisfying answer to what a private person should do with their inherited wealth. Does she feel a moral obligation for her descendants to also be rich? Maybe she feels some obligations towards those suffering from climate change? Is she afraid of destroying local economy with inflation? Anyway, Norway don't have all the answers.
mycologos 3y ago
No it couldn't have? The article is about an oil heiress who has spent her adult life working with and bankrolling various leftist causes, and is a long examination of how that kind of person fits into those causes. As the article puts it: > When libertarian or right-wing plutocrats buy influence—fossil-fuel executives pushing for deregulation, hedge-funders who want lower taxes—it’s easy enough to understand what they’re up to. But leftist class traitors are harder to pin down. They can always be suspected of performative reputation-laundering, or dilettantism, or dual loyalty. The left is wary of them for having been born into an obscene level of privilege; the right resents them for not having the common sense to shut up and enjoy it. It’s one thing to be a rich liberal—acknowledging your unearned privilege, endeavoring to leave the world a little better than you found it—and another to be a rich anti-capitalist radical, galvanized by the conviction that you are complicit in a historic injustice. Norway's oil fund, as far as I know, was started to exchange the country's hydrocarbon revenues for less volatile income and, in more recent years, avoid investing in places and companies that it deems unethical. It is still basically about growing investments, and its ethical choices are much more conservative and institutional than those covered in the article. I don't see how anybody could actually read this article and think it's asking a question that Norway's oil fund answers.

> Ask Norway This... The entire article could have been shortened to those two words.

dna_polymerase 3y ago

The article is about shaming her for having some sort of privilege and what she wants to do about it.

karmakurtisaani 3y ago
It, in fact, is not.
- dna_polymerase 3y ago
  > “She has better politics than anyone else who’s that rich, and she’s better at fund-raising than anyone else with her politics,” Max Berger, who worked on Elizabeth Warren’s Presidential campaign in 2020, told me. Is all you need to know about the direction of this idiotic culture war piece.
  - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
    Nope. I read it and found many interesting points on how the ultra rich on the left operate, as well as about this family that I had never heard of. If you want to see it as a culture war piece, then you will see it as a culture war piece, can't really help with that.

Epa095 3y ago

The philosophy behind Norways management of the oil wealth is that the natural resources are the property of every future generation, not just the one that happens to extract the wealth. So it is invested to last "forever", and max 3% is taken out of the found every year. This had the added benefit of avoiding the "Dutch disease". Importantly, the goal is NOT to make a better world in general, but to secure income for the future generations while avoiding "clearly very bad stuff". Typical middle of the road stuff. This is a political discussion, and some parties want to "pull the wealth out of the hands of the money-bureaucrats and back under democratic controll" and use it to make a better world, even if means spending a significant chunk of future generations money. But currently the dominating view is that the primary goal of the wealth found should be a stable income, while avoiding the worst companies. I don't know if this is a satisfying answer to what a private person should do with their inherited wealth. Does she feel a moral obligation for her descendants to also be rich? Maybe she feels some obligations towards those suffering from climate change? Is she afraid of destroying local economy with inflation? Anyway, Norway don't have all the answers.

mycologos 3y ago

No it couldn't have? The article is about an oil heiress who has spent her adult life working with and bankrolling various leftist causes, and is a long examination of how that kind of person fits into those causes. As the article puts it: > When libertarian or right-wing plutocrats buy influence—fossil-fuel executives pushing for deregulation, hedge-funders who want lower taxes—it’s easy enough to understand what they’re up to. But leftist class traitors are harder to pin down. They can always be suspected of performative reputation-laundering, or dilettantism, or dual loyalty. The left is wary of them for having been born into an obscene level of privilege; the right resents them for not having the common sense to shut up and enjoy it. It’s one thing to be a rich liberal—acknowledging your unearned privilege, endeavoring to leave the world a little better than you found it—and another to be a rich anti-capitalist radical, galvanized by the conviction that you are complicit in a historic injustice. Norway's oil fund, as far as I know, was started to exchange the country's hydrocarbon revenues for less volatile income and, in more recent years, avoid investing in places and companies that it deems unethical. It is still basically about growing investments, and its ethical choices are much more conservative and institutional than those covered in the article. I don't see how anybody could actually read this article and think it's asking a question that Norway's oil fund answers.