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I feel very tired of the whole LLM discussion now. It's going to put everyone out of work or it's going to be a helpful tool. I find it currently lacking someho

by t43562 3y ago

I feel very tired of the whole LLM discussion now. It's going to put everyone out of work or it's going to be a helpful tool. I find it currently lacking somehow but what's the point of saying that to one of the enthusiasts? I feel that no matter how much value it has, there will never be more hype about it than at the beginning.

te_chris 3y ago
It’s the religiosity. It’s incredibly tedious.
mnd999 3y ago
You’re not alone. Every time I’ve tried a GPTx it’s come out with utter rubbish and proven to be a total waste of time. But any mention of AI raises a crap ton of VC money so gotta keep that sweet sweet founder bandwagon rolling.
- corethree 3y ago
  This is illogical. The popularity surrounding gptx stems from the fact it produces great output for many people. That is the only rational explanation for why it's popular. One reason that it may not produce good output for you is that you may just be a really smart person. The answers it gives you just seem too stupid to you because you're just so incredibly intelligent that any response it gives seems useless. Other people like me who aren't as smart as you feel the output is at times relevant and at other times irrelevant. It's not a total waste of time to most of the population as we aren't as smart as you. In fact smart people like you including the preeminent AI guy Geoffrey Hinton who repopularized AI in the last decade thinks LLMs are trivial in the same way you think of it. Or maybe I'm wrong here. Maybe it's not so clear cut as "total waste of time."
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    > feel the output is We have given you books, we have given you masterpieces...
    - corethree 3y ago
      I'm not smart enough to figure out how this has anything to do with the topic at hand. You said LLMs produce absolute rubbish always for you. How does humans creating books or masterpieces have any effect on LLM output? Apologies for not being smart enough to understand you.
      - mdp2021 3y ago
        You want to be "«smart»" (you should: you do not live isolated, you have responsibilities in the community): learn from the Masterpieces. We have given you ways: the Books are there to refine your intellect feeding your natural effort towards growth. Smarten up and you'll appreciate the real things.
        corethree 3y ago
        Have you heard of sarcasm?
        mdp2021 3y ago
        I have heard of the mandate to "strongest possible interpretation in assumption of good faith" after the guidelines. They made it preferable to take your approach literally instead of referring it to a form of rhetoric which appears of dubious appropriateness here.
        corethree 3y ago
        Your interpretation is correct. No sarcasm in my statements and only a reference to it in my question. This was a genuine question for a point I have yet to make... In which you did not apply your mandate.
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    It is also possible that they think they understood the answer when they did not. I got impressed when GPT-4 was able to explain "TVC" from Permutation City.
  - mnd999 3y ago
    > The popularity surrounding gptx stems from the fact it produces great output for many people. Popular != Good
    - corethree 3y ago
      So everything that's popular is bad? That's highly irrational and illogical. You are not thinking properly. Popular can equal good or bad.
      - mnd999 3y ago
        You're making my point for me.
        corethree 3y ago
        I don't think you fully understand your own point.
- tomjen3 3y ago
  Many of the first times I used a hammer I hit my own fingers. That doesn't mean a hammer is a bad tool, it meant I had to learn how to use it. Other people get value out of these tools.
  - t43562 3y ago
    No but hype tends to suggest that a tool can do everything and being bombarded by that kind of propaganda is annoying.
corethree 3y ago
Most people are tired of it. I think the tired perspective is the biased one. chatGPT hasn't been around for that long and the AI that LLMs represent is pretty revolutionary. About a year in with all the developments surrounding it the hype logically should still be relevant. I think it's the news cycle that floods our feeds with this stuff constantly so you can see the same hype both in headlines and in discussions over and over again that makes people tired of it. But make no mistake LLMs are somewhat of a turning point in technology that literally Just happened in terms of popularity. The hype makes sense if you think about it. It's very easy to get sick of something that is overly popular, that is a very common human bias. Just remember validity and significance is an orthogonal concept to popularity. Yes LLMs are popular but that should not influence your opinion on it.
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  It's kind of similar to cryptocurrency where it's only really helpful for doing nefarious things like cheating on homework. The same folks that were X, but with blockchain are now X, but with AI and it's going to be a while if ever that we see a good use case for it that couldn't be solved with existing solutions. I also don't get the augmentation story as that doesn't make you better at X task when the LLM does the thing (poorly) or you still need to spend the same amount of time reviewing the work. As the Google memo said, there is no moat here and I would take it further and say there is no revolution here.
  - slashdev 3y ago
    I use it in my work (software engineer) and find it very helpful on some kinds of tasks. There’s more to it than cheating on homework. It’s not going to replace me though.
    - corethree 3y ago
      Not yet. But let's say something in the future were to replace you. LLMs look like a stepping stone. Version 0.001 of the thing that could replace you in the far future. If this ends up being true then the hype seems somewhat valid.
Dalewyn 3y ago
As the old saying goes, the truth lies somewhere in between. "AI" will no doubt eliminate some occupations and improve productivity and morale in some occupations, much like prior advancements in technology. If history is any indication, "AI" is very likely not going to be one extreme or the other.
_nalply 3y ago
Currently it is a helpful tool in some niche uses. One of them is rubber duck debugging or reasoning. It does not really matter if the answer is useful, it is enough if it gives you ideas. This said, there's a real danger to AI as just now. It is enshittification. I am Deaf and I asked ChatGPT to tell a joke about Deaf people. It refused. Corporate is very afraid of shit storms and they will go to extreme lenghts to censor anything off the mainstream. And this is not the only way AI tools could get shitty. Please, if you find AI lacking somehow, think hard if it was not because of enshittification already.

by t43562 3y ago

te_chris 3y ago

It’s the religiosity. It’s incredibly tedious.

mnd999 3y ago

You’re not alone. Every time I’ve tried a GPTx it’s come out with utter rubbish and proven to be a total waste of time. But any mention of AI raises a crap ton of VC money so gotta keep that sweet sweet founder bandwagon rolling.

corethree 3y ago
This is illogical. The popularity surrounding gptx stems from the fact it produces great output for many people. That is the only rational explanation for why it's popular. One reason that it may not produce good output for you is that you may just be a really smart person. The answers it gives you just seem too stupid to you because you're just so incredibly intelligent that any response it gives seems useless. Other people like me who aren't as smart as you feel the output is at times relevant and at other times irrelevant. It's not a total waste of time to most of the population as we aren't as smart as you. In fact smart people like you including the preeminent AI guy Geoffrey Hinton who repopularized AI in the last decade thinks LLMs are trivial in the same way you think of it. Or maybe I'm wrong here. Maybe it's not so clear cut as "total waste of time."
- mdp2021 3y ago
  > feel the output is We have given you books, we have given you masterpieces...
  - corethree 3y ago
    I'm not smart enough to figure out how this has anything to do with the topic at hand. You said LLMs produce absolute rubbish always for you. How does humans creating books or masterpieces have any effect on LLM output? Apologies for not being smart enough to understand you.
    - mdp2021 3y ago
      You want to be "«smart»" (you should: you do not live isolated, you have responsibilities in the community): learn from the Masterpieces. We have given you ways: the Books are there to refine your intellect feeding your natural effort towards growth. Smarten up and you'll appreciate the real things.
      - corethree 3y ago
        Have you heard of sarcasm?
        mdp2021 3y ago
        I have heard of the mandate to "strongest possible interpretation in assumption of good faith" after the guidelines. They made it preferable to take your approach literally instead of referring it to a form of rhetoric which appears of dubious appropriateness here.
        corethree 3y ago
        Your interpretation is correct. No sarcasm in my statements and only a reference to it in my question. This was a genuine question for a point I have yet to make... In which you did not apply your mandate.
- lostmsu 3y ago
  It is also possible that they think they understood the answer when they did not. I got impressed when GPT-4 was able to explain "TVC" from Permutation City.
- mnd999 3y ago
  > The popularity surrounding gptx stems from the fact it produces great output for many people. Popular != Good
  - corethree 3y ago
    So everything that's popular is bad? That's highly irrational and illogical. You are not thinking properly. Popular can equal good or bad.
    - mnd999 3y ago
      You're making my point for me.
      - corethree 3y ago
        I don't think you fully understand your own point.
tomjen3 3y ago
Many of the first times I used a hammer I hit my own fingers. That doesn't mean a hammer is a bad tool, it meant I had to learn how to use it. Other people get value out of these tools.
- t43562 3y ago
  No but hype tends to suggest that a tool can do everything and being bombarded by that kind of propaganda is annoying.

corethree 3y ago

Most people are tired of it. I think the tired perspective is the biased one. chatGPT hasn't been around for that long and the AI that LLMs represent is pretty revolutionary. About a year in with all the developments surrounding it the hype logically should still be relevant. I think it's the news cycle that floods our feeds with this stuff constantly so you can see the same hype both in headlines and in discussions over and over again that makes people tired of it. But make no mistake LLMs are somewhat of a turning point in technology that literally Just happened in terms of popularity. The hype makes sense if you think about it. It's very easy to get sick of something that is overly popular, that is a very common human bias. Just remember validity and significance is an orthogonal concept to popularity. Yes LLMs are popular but that should not influence your opinion on it.

candiddevmike 3y ago
It's kind of similar to cryptocurrency where it's only really helpful for doing nefarious things like cheating on homework. The same folks that were X, but with blockchain are now X, but with AI and it's going to be a while if ever that we see a good use case for it that couldn't be solved with existing solutions. I also don't get the augmentation story as that doesn't make you better at X task when the LLM does the thing (poorly) or you still need to spend the same amount of time reviewing the work. As the Google memo said, there is no moat here and I would take it further and say there is no revolution here.
- slashdev 3y ago
  I use it in my work (software engineer) and find it very helpful on some kinds of tasks. There’s more to it than cheating on homework. It’s not going to replace me though.
  - corethree 3y ago
    Not yet. But let's say something in the future were to replace you. LLMs look like a stepping stone. Version 0.001 of the thing that could replace you in the far future. If this ends up being true then the hype seems somewhat valid.

Dalewyn 3y ago

As the old saying goes, the truth lies somewhere in between. "AI" will no doubt eliminate some occupations and improve productivity and morale in some occupations, much like prior advancements in technology. If history is any indication, "AI" is very likely not going to be one extreme or the other.

_nalply 3y ago

Currently it is a helpful tool in some niche uses. One of them is rubber duck debugging or reasoning. It does not really matter if the answer is useful, it is enough if it gives you ideas. This said, there's a real danger to AI as just now. It is enshittification. I am Deaf and I asked ChatGPT to tell a joke about Deaf people. It refused. Corporate is very afraid of shit storms and they will go to extreme lenghts to censor anything off the mainstream. And this is not the only way AI tools could get shitty. Please, if you find AI lacking somehow, think hard if it was not because of enshittification already.