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This is an unrealistic expectation, honestly. If there were any risk of collapse at all from immigration, we have never even gotten anywhere near approaching i

This is an unrealistic expectation, honestly. If there were any risk of collapse at all from immigration, we have never even gotten anywhere near approaching it. A gradual loosening of border barriers down to nothing would get rid of any "sudden shock" effect. If anything, america has exclusively benefited from immigration historically, providing a constant supply of talent (immigrants to a richer country tend to be the best, and not just because of border constraints), labor and population.

carlosjobim 3y ago
America is the number one example in world history of how immigration collapses and destroys a society. Those who lived there before Columbus. Mass immigration is a weapon of war throughout all history and on all continents. When immigrant numbers are large enough, war ensues as they will try to drive out the natives.
- qwytw 3y ago
  > Those who lived there before Columbus. That's tricky because North America for instance was already half empty by the point Europeans started settling because to old world diseases killing up to 80-90% of the population in many areas. Without that gaining a foothold would've been much more difficult. It's not obvious the Spanish would've been able to subjugate all of the native civilizations they encountered that 'easily' either. Chances are Mexico etc. would've looked much closer to India or Indonesia for instance.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    There were very well documented campaigns of extermination and forced relocation of the natives, conducted by the immigrants. No matter what was the situation before the arrival of the immigrants. That's just an undeniable fact. Since I'm not a true hacker, I won't pretend that the people living in America today have any blame for that. But it doesn't mean that we have to let that be repeated. Mass migration with the goal to colonize and replace natives is an act of war, and it is being conducted in many places around the world right now, fueled by an ideology of hatred.
qwytw 3y ago
> immigrants to a richer country tend to be the best, and not just because of border constraints Because it's significantly easier for high-skilled/educated/well-off people to immigrate to most countries.

carlosjobim 3y ago

America is the number one example in world history of how immigration collapses and destroys a society. Those who lived there before Columbus. Mass immigration is a weapon of war throughout all history and on all continents. When immigrant numbers are large enough, war ensues as they will try to drive out the natives.

qwytw 3y ago
> Those who lived there before Columbus. That's tricky because North America for instance was already half empty by the point Europeans started settling because to old world diseases killing up to 80-90% of the population in many areas. Without that gaining a foothold would've been much more difficult. It's not obvious the Spanish would've been able to subjugate all of the native civilizations they encountered that 'easily' either. Chances are Mexico etc. would've looked much closer to India or Indonesia for instance.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  There were very well documented campaigns of extermination and forced relocation of the natives, conducted by the immigrants. No matter what was the situation before the arrival of the immigrants. That's just an undeniable fact. Since I'm not a true hacker, I won't pretend that the people living in America today have any blame for that. But it doesn't mean that we have to let that be repeated. Mass migration with the goal to colonize and replace natives is an act of war, and it is being conducted in many places around the world right now, fueled by an ideology of hatred.

qwytw 3y ago

> immigrants to a richer country tend to be the best, and not just because of border constraints Because it's significantly easier for high-skilled/educated/well-off people to immigrate to most countries.