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> Honestly, it’s Home Manager that really adds the maximum value I feel like Nix does have such killer features, but they are different for everyone. For me i

by lloeki 3y ago

> Honestly, it’s Home Manager that really adds the maximum value I feel like Nix does have such killer features, but they are different for everyone. For me it was: - system management (nixos + nix-darwin. I wish there was something like nix-darwin for non-nixos linux distros, binding daemon systemd units and desktop files into the "hosting" distro) - on-the-spot running without globally installing for one shot tasks (nix-shell -p iotop --run iotop) - "just works" project environment (default.nix+shell.nix or flakes) These are the ones that made me tip over and decide to go from tiptoeing to full tilt

Novosell 3y ago
I don't really see the appeal of avoiding to install programs. What's the benefit, exactly?
- mbakke 3y ago
  Not needing root is a game changer. Another benefit is that "traditional" package managers may litter your system with configuration files and post-install scripts (for the software you are installing and all of its dependencies), some of which can persist even after uninstalling the packages. Nix prevents that by design.
- lloeki 3y ago
  One less thing to manage and think about, including cleaning up after myself. It may pull dependencies that I don't care about or want exposed e.g that would be picked up by some other thing as with traditional package managers (e.g a configure script would pick installed stuff). apt-get autoremove --purge or pacman -Rsc become a distant memory. It's fire and forget and I can just focus on what I'm set to do. Once I'm done with the one shot task, it disappears and could be garbage collected for all I care. Some tools I did promote to being part of my user env but crossing that bar is a very deliberate thing, some are promoted to systemwide (root) and the bar for that is even higher. It removes a ton of mental deadweight.
dlyons 3y ago
Yeah, nix-darwin is incredible. Use cases you mentioned are great; for me, I love being able to use my NixOS machine and MacBook to seamlessly carry around the same dev environment. https://github.com/dustinlyons/nixos-config https://github.com/dustinlyons/nixos-config
pxc 3y ago
> I wish there was something like nix-darwin for non-nixos linux distros It's in early stages, but it exists now: https://github.com/numtide/system-manager https://github.com/numtide/system-manager

by lloeki 3y ago

Novosell 3y ago

I don't really see the appeal of avoiding to install programs. What's the benefit, exactly?

mbakke 3y ago
Not needing root is a game changer. Another benefit is that "traditional" package managers may litter your system with configuration files and post-install scripts (for the software you are installing and all of its dependencies), some of which can persist even after uninstalling the packages. Nix prevents that by design.
lloeki 3y ago
One less thing to manage and think about, including cleaning up after myself. It may pull dependencies that I don't care about or want exposed e.g that would be picked up by some other thing as with traditional package managers (e.g a configure script would pick installed stuff). apt-get autoremove --purge or pacman -Rsc become a distant memory. It's fire and forget and I can just focus on what I'm set to do. Once I'm done with the one shot task, it disappears and could be garbage collected for all I care. Some tools I did promote to being part of my user env but crossing that bar is a very deliberate thing, some are promoted to systemwide (root) and the bar for that is even higher. It removes a ton of mental deadweight.

dlyons 3y ago

Yeah, nix-darwin is incredible. Use cases you mentioned are great; for me, I love being able to use my NixOS machine and MacBook to seamlessly carry around the same dev environment. https://github.com/dustinlyons/nixos-config https://github.com/dustinlyons/nixos-config

pxc 3y ago

> I wish there was something like nix-darwin for non-nixos linux distros It's in early stages, but it exists now: https://github.com/numtide/system-manager https://github.com/numtide/system-manager