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If it's bad for their party, it's the right of the public to know. If it's bad for our party, it's vile smear. If our people discover bad things about their peo

by smsm42 3y ago

If it's bad for their party, it's the right of the public to know. If it's bad for our party, it's vile smear. If our people discover bad things about their people, it's heroic fight for truth which would die in darkness. If their people discover bad things about our people, it's vile and discredits the honor of journalists, and had to be suppressed, laws be damned. If one lies for the good cause (to let good people win), it's heroic. If one lies for he deplorable cause (to let bad people win) it's slimy.

knewter 3y ago
I rarely see such a succinct explanation of postmodernist morality
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pstuart 3y ago
What truth is at stake in the case being discussed? That there's skeeziness within a family? What noble cause is being served? And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country. As this is about the Biden family, it's generally agreed that if crimes occurred they should be investigated and tried. The key problem is that the detractors don't care about any crimes, they only seem to care that their political enemies are destroyed. tl,dr: the fomented outrage is purely political theater. Project Veritas is not a journalist endeavor -- it's a political black-ops organization that operates in bad faith.
- hellgas00 3y ago
  Thoughts on the discredited media smear that was Russia-gate and it's underlying "intel" that included accusations of pee tapes etc. I assume your include the news outlet peroginator Buzzfeed was a political black-ops organization that operated in bad faith.
- smsm42 3y ago
  People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). They also care a lot about things that aren't crimes but show them in negative light. Just as exactly the same is true about people on the left with regard to right wing politicians. And of course journalists are an active part of that. All that "our heroic intelligence professionals against their filthy traitorous spies" is good for movies, but doesn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. Veritas does on the right the same thing many do on the left - and you can call it "journalism" or you can call "journalism" only reprinting press releases and leaks from political operators, but finding and publishing negative information about politicians is how democracy works. And it can't work any other way - if there is nobody who does that, because all the press is more concerned about partisan cohesion, and is willing to lie and hide information for the benefit of the party, then informed democracy is impossible. And democracy where the information is controlled by the politicians is not a democracy at all - it's just a simulacrum.
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  - pstuart 3y ago
    > People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). Really? Do they care about the crime itself or just who committed it? Do they think that crimes don't matter when their side does it? I'm fine with prosecuting Biden(s) for any legitimate crimes. I'm also more than fine with doing the same for his predecessor and every one else in office. Can you say the same?
    - smsm42 3y ago
      "Legitimate" does a lot of work here.
      - pstuart 3y ago
        There are accusations against Biden that have not yet been shown to be true in court or in committee. Do you only care if it's Joe Biden as the accused or do you care about the corruption implied by it?
- smsm42 3y ago
  > And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country The sad thing is that it very well may be that you believe it is true. That doesn't make it true however.

by smsm42 3y ago

knewter 3y ago

I rarely see such a succinct explanation of postmodernist morality

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pstuart 3y ago

What truth is at stake in the case being discussed? That there's skeeziness within a family? What noble cause is being served? And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country. As this is about the Biden family, it's generally agreed that if crimes occurred they should be investigated and tried. The key problem is that the detractors don't care about any crimes, they only seem to care that their political enemies are destroyed. tl,dr: the fomented outrage is purely political theater. Project Veritas is not a journalist endeavor -- it's a political black-ops organization that operates in bad faith.

hellgas00 3y ago
Thoughts on the discredited media smear that was Russia-gate and it's underlying "intel" that included accusations of pee tapes etc. I assume your include the news outlet peroginator Buzzfeed was a political black-ops organization that operated in bad faith.
smsm42 3y ago
People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). They also care a lot about things that aren't crimes but show them in negative light. Just as exactly the same is true about people on the left with regard to right wing politicians. And of course journalists are an active part of that. All that "our heroic intelligence professionals against their filthy traitorous spies" is good for movies, but doesn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. Veritas does on the right the same thing many do on the left - and you can call it "journalism" or you can call "journalism" only reprinting press releases and leaks from political operators, but finding and publishing negative information about politicians is how democracy works. And it can't work any other way - if there is nobody who does that, because all the press is more concerned about partisan cohesion, and is willing to lie and hide information for the benefit of the party, then informed democracy is impossible. And democracy where the information is controlled by the politicians is not a democracy at all - it's just a simulacrum.
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- pstuart 3y ago
  > People on the right care a lot about Biden's crimes (either of them). Really? Do they care about the crime itself or just who committed it? Do they think that crimes don't matter when their side does it? I'm fine with prosecuting Biden(s) for any legitimate crimes. I'm also more than fine with doing the same for his predecessor and every one else in office. Can you say the same?
  - smsm42 3y ago
    "Legitimate" does a lot of work here.
    - pstuart 3y ago
      There are accusations against Biden that have not yet been shown to be true in court or in committee. Do you only care if it's Joe Biden as the accused or do you care about the corruption implied by it?
smsm42 3y ago
> And at least within my social circle, there's zero loyalty to party over country The sad thing is that it very well may be that you believe it is true. That doesn't make it true however.