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I'm not sure if you're trying to show me why I'm wrong or showing why I'm right. As near as I can figure, she was illegally raided by the police for crossing

I'm not sure if you're trying to show me why I'm wrong or showing why I'm right. As near as I can figure, she was illegally raided by the police for crossing Scott Morrison, who is the leader of the main right-wing political party in Australia. I don't see any reason here to believe Smethurst is far-right. If anything, I suspect she's Labor because she seems pretty good at shining a light on Liberal Party malfeasance. Maybe the downvoters can deign to explain what I'm missing.

Dalewyn 3y ago
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- mcpackieh 3y ago
  > If I had to bet, it's probably because raids against people expressing wrongthink are absolutely A-OK around these parts Even if that's the angle, I don't get it. She exposed right-wing politicians and suffered retaliation by those right-wing politicians. How can this be evidence of a far-right affiliation?
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
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- jpmoral 3y ago
  > Though jokes on them, the more I am told that being right is wrong the stronger I become at voting right. You're entitled to vote how you want, of course, but taking disagreement as evidence of being correct generally isn't sound logic. > (I also fully expect this comment to also get flagged.) I think we can do better, claims of persecution are just as tiresome as groupthink.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
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    - jpmoral 3y ago
      By "grounds for flagging" do you mean comments being reported and removed by moderation or do you mean being heavily downvoted? If the latter, then, again, a lot of people disagreeing with you isn't generally good evidence of being correct. You might be correct, but the downvotes aren't the thing that proves it. Personally, I'd have a think about why. If it's the former, from what I've seen here comments get removed for tone or being off-topic, not for disagreement.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        It's the former[1][2]. I don't count mere downvotes as "flagging", not the least because I want to think words still have meaning. [1]: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747297210613498216/1140157364633346089/image.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747297210613498216/11... [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37106062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37106062
        jpmoral 3y ago
        Okay, I was just clarifying. Tone is really hard to convey and interpret but that read like you were jumping on me for clarifying. I think that's what the problem is. The post in the screenshot is unnecessarily combative. It's not conducive to good discussion. It doesn't have anything to do with beliefs, it's just picking a fight. Change 'right' to 'left' or whatever group and it would've been flagged just the same.
        knewter 3y ago
        The screenshot is a single question. How is asking a question combative? (I ask that non-combatively, in the weakest possible reading of the words)
defrost 3y ago
I didn't downvote and I simply wanted to dot point a few things about that raid. Murdoch press tends toward the right .. but that's far too simplistic, Murdoch's media empire seeks eyeballs, stokes controversy and works towards Murdoch's goals, more power with less control by others. In this instance they were happy to expose secret Government conversations about spying on citizens as it ticked a bunch of boxes. As for Smethurst she is relatively neutral, but can be counted on to do good reporting as directed by her masthead and editors. I suspect you got downvotes by non Australians who lumped this story in with Veritas depite there being a world of difference between the stories and the reporting work put into them.

Dalewyn 3y ago

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mcpackieh 3y ago
> If I had to bet, it's probably because raids against people expressing wrongthink are absolutely A-OK around these parts Even if that's the angle, I don't get it. She exposed right-wing politicians and suffered retaliation by those right-wing politicians. How can this be evidence of a far-right affiliation?
- Dalewyn 3y ago
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  - mcpackieh 3y ago
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jpmoral 3y ago
> Though jokes on them, the more I am told that being right is wrong the stronger I become at voting right. You're entitled to vote how you want, of course, but taking disagreement as evidence of being correct generally isn't sound logic. > (I also fully expect this comment to also get flagged.) I think we can do better, claims of persecution are just as tiresome as groupthink.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
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  - jpmoral 3y ago
    By "grounds for flagging" do you mean comments being reported and removed by moderation or do you mean being heavily downvoted? If the latter, then, again, a lot of people disagreeing with you isn't generally good evidence of being correct. You might be correct, but the downvotes aren't the thing that proves it. Personally, I'd have a think about why. If it's the former, from what I've seen here comments get removed for tone or being off-topic, not for disagreement.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      It's the former[1][2]. I don't count mere downvotes as "flagging", not the least because I want to think words still have meaning. [1]: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747297210613498216/1140157364633346089/image.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747297210613498216/11... [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37106062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37106062
      - jpmoral 3y ago
        Okay, I was just clarifying. Tone is really hard to convey and interpret but that read like you were jumping on me for clarifying. I think that's what the problem is. The post in the screenshot is unnecessarily combative. It's not conducive to good discussion. It doesn't have anything to do with beliefs, it's just picking a fight. Change 'right' to 'left' or whatever group and it would've been flagged just the same.
        knewter 3y ago
        The screenshot is a single question. How is asking a question combative? (I ask that non-combatively, in the weakest possible reading of the words)

defrost 3y ago

I didn't downvote and I simply wanted to dot point a few things about that raid. Murdoch press tends toward the right .. but that's far too simplistic, Murdoch's media empire seeks eyeballs, stokes controversy and works towards Murdoch's goals, more power with less control by others. In this instance they were happy to expose secret Government conversations about spying on citizens as it ticked a bunch of boxes. As for Smethurst she is relatively neutral, but can be counted on to do good reporting as directed by her masthead and editors. I suspect you got downvotes by non Australians who lumped this story in with Veritas depite there being a world of difference between the stories and the reporting work put into them.