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In Finland, they started demanding COVID passports for staying at the bar in the evening. Also, if the establishment didn't sell alcohol, you didn't need the pa

In Finland, they started demanding COVID passports for staying at the bar in the evening. Also, if the establishment didn't sell alcohol, you didn't need the passport. The coronavirus is an amazingly smart pathogen, it can tell what you drink. Or the purpose of an outdoor gathering so it will definitely kill churchgoers but spare the BLM protesters.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
> In Finland, they started demanding COVID passports for staying at the bar in the evening. Also, if the establishment didn't sell alcohol, you didn't need the passport. Not true [0] > Or the purpose of an outdoor gathering so it will definitely kill churchgoers but spare the BLM protesters. Also, not true. But even if it was, given your apparent position about COVID, you must admit that outdoor gatherings are less risky than indoors. [0] https://valtioneuvosto.fi/en/-//1271139/restrictions-on-opening-hours-and-serving-of-alcoholic-beverages-in-food-and-beverage-service-businesses-use-of-covid-19-passport-restricted#:~:text=As%20from%20Tuesday%2028%20December,businesses%20will%20end%20at%2017.00 https://valtioneuvosto.fi/en/-//1271139/restrictions-on-open....
- spookthesunset 3y ago
  Even if it was “risky” indoors it didn’t matter. State the risks and let people decide what to do. Don’t force a barbaric, draconian, unproven, unscientific set of multi-year mandates on people.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    Better to force illness and death, of course! You sound a lot like the “I want to socialize, fuck them grandpas” kind of crowd. Bet you were devastated when you couldn’t go to the office and had to hang out with the family (ugh) all day long.
    - spookthesunset 3y ago
      What a privileged myopic view you have. I’m glad your experience of the lockdowns worked in your favor. You are incredibly privileged and lucky. Good for you. Many people were not so fortunate. There is more to life than the myopic focus on covid. Sorry you think otherwise. And shame on you for forcing me into your uncontrolled experiment I never consented to. Morals and ethics apparently don’t apply to covid. Neither does common sense.
      - manuelabeledo 3y ago
        Shame on you for not understanding that you are part of the same society you need to make certain sacrifices for, even at the high cost of, oh no, your convenience. That you also have the audacity of mentioning “morals and ethics”, when you said that “adults should sacrifice themselves”, is further proof of such a hypocritical stance.
        spookthesunset 3y ago
        I find running uncontrolled experiments on a population without their consent highly unethical and immoral. The whole thing was unethical and immoral. And I have just as much of a right to that opinion as you on yours. Unfortunately society decided to force your opinion, despite being unproven, immoral, and unethical. It is the closest my country ever came to straight up facism. It was scary as fuck how people cheered it all on too. We never should have mandated a single thing. It was perhaps the most evil thing humans have done. Especially what society did to children. What we did to children is absolutely shameful.
- soundnote 3y ago
  They absolutely did have rules like that - a bar I went to had to adopt those strange measures to stay open. They got amended later when people complained that the measures were completely silly.
- southernplaces7 3y ago
  Oh please, the contortions done by many clinical experts, media reporters, politicians and so forth to justify the mass gatherings of BLM protests while explicitly condemning other types of large gatherings and protests that weren't given a social seal of politically correct protection were blatant, common and obvious. As for what you say about outdoor gatherings vs indoor gatherings, you're doing the same. Many of those BLM protests were not well-spaced light outdoor meetups, they involved thousands of people jam packed together in the streets. Aside from political affinity towards them or not, if you're criticizing large gatherings based on COVID fears as many of a certain political persuasion did, the BLM groupings had absolutely no reason to get a free pass.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

> In Finland, they started demanding COVID passports for staying at the bar in the evening. Also, if the establishment didn't sell alcohol, you didn't need the passport. Not true [0] > Or the purpose of an outdoor gathering so it will definitely kill churchgoers but spare the BLM protesters. Also, not true. But even if it was, given your apparent position about COVID, you must admit that outdoor gatherings are less risky than indoors. [0] https://valtioneuvosto.fi/en/-//1271139/restrictions-on-opening-hours-and-serving-of-alcoholic-beverages-in-food-and-beverage-service-businesses-use-of-covid-19-passport-restricted#:~:text=As%20from%20Tuesday%2028%20December,businesses%20will%20end%20at%2017.00 https://valtioneuvosto.fi/en/-//1271139/restrictions-on-open....

spookthesunset 3y ago
Even if it was “risky” indoors it didn’t matter. State the risks and let people decide what to do. Don’t force a barbaric, draconian, unproven, unscientific set of multi-year mandates on people.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  Better to force illness and death, of course! You sound a lot like the “I want to socialize, fuck them grandpas” kind of crowd. Bet you were devastated when you couldn’t go to the office and had to hang out with the family (ugh) all day long.
  - spookthesunset 3y ago
    What a privileged myopic view you have. I’m glad your experience of the lockdowns worked in your favor. You are incredibly privileged and lucky. Good for you. Many people were not so fortunate. There is more to life than the myopic focus on covid. Sorry you think otherwise. And shame on you for forcing me into your uncontrolled experiment I never consented to. Morals and ethics apparently don’t apply to covid. Neither does common sense.
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      Shame on you for not understanding that you are part of the same society you need to make certain sacrifices for, even at the high cost of, oh no, your convenience. That you also have the audacity of mentioning “morals and ethics”, when you said that “adults should sacrifice themselves”, is further proof of such a hypocritical stance.
      - spookthesunset 3y ago
        I find running uncontrolled experiments on a population without their consent highly unethical and immoral. The whole thing was unethical and immoral. And I have just as much of a right to that opinion as you on yours. Unfortunately society decided to force your opinion, despite being unproven, immoral, and unethical. It is the closest my country ever came to straight up facism. It was scary as fuck how people cheered it all on too. We never should have mandated a single thing. It was perhaps the most evil thing humans have done. Especially what society did to children. What we did to children is absolutely shameful.
soundnote 3y ago
They absolutely did have rules like that - a bar I went to had to adopt those strange measures to stay open. They got amended later when people complained that the measures were completely silly.
southernplaces7 3y ago
Oh please, the contortions done by many clinical experts, media reporters, politicians and so forth to justify the mass gatherings of BLM protests while explicitly condemning other types of large gatherings and protests that weren't given a social seal of politically correct protection were blatant, common and obvious. As for what you say about outdoor gatherings vs indoor gatherings, you're doing the same. Many of those BLM protests were not well-spaced light outdoor meetups, they involved thousands of people jam packed together in the streets. Aside from political affinity towards them or not, if you're criticizing large gatherings based on COVID fears as many of a certain political persuasion did, the BLM groupings had absolutely no reason to get a free pass.