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This is completely delusional. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded, and the country is destroyed. For what? To “weaken Russia”? Pret

This is completely delusional. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded, and the country is destroyed. For what? To “weaken Russia”? Pretty cynical if you think that was worth it. Unless you actually believe the nonsense about Putin trying to recreate the Soviet Union or whatever stupid fantasy the blob is peddling these days.

legitster 3y ago
I think you have replied to a wrong comment.
jacquesm 3y ago
That's Putins own words. Besides, we already have plenty of evidence of this not being delusional: as you say, lots of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded and yet the Russians keep coming. Weakening Russia isn't for NATO's benefit, NATO already borders Russia. It's for Ukraine's benefit first and foremost. Also, I'm quite surprised that you would engage HN in your propaganda efforts.
- pauldenton 3y ago
  If Putin said the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was incompetent and resulted in unnecessary loss of life and billions of equipment for the Taliban Would that statement be Russian propaganda or the truth?
- miguelazo 3y ago
  Ah yes, anything you and the corporate media disagree with is “propaganda”. Quite the hacker mindset! Pathetic.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    No, it's just what you are saying, the corporate media have nothing to do with it and I'm fine with you carrying water for Putin but let's not pretend it's anything else.
    - miguelazo 3y ago
      Excuse me? Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh, as well as distinguished international relations scholar and professor John Mearsheimer have said the same thing. You are just parroting the warmonger corporate media-- let's not pretend it's anything else.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        Hersh and Mearsheimer have been proven to be stupendously wrong on this whole Ukraine war, you're going to have to do a lot better than that. The 'warmonger corporate media'? Really, you should go to Eastern Poland or Ukraine for that matter and spout some of this nonsense, see how far it will get you. Let me give you a hint: they are not at all afraid of the media. But they are - and you'd have to agree with some significant evidence on their side - afraid that Russia has become utterly unhinged and will escalate this conflict even further.
        miguelazo 3y ago
        Russia warned repeatedly for decades that it would not tolerate NATO on its borders. It was promised that NATO would not expand. All of this was very predictable, as Hersh and Mearsheimer have said. They were not proved wrong whatsoever outside of your colorful imagination. What is unhinged is the way that people like you will defend the blatant hostility and warmongering that led to all of this. And there are plenty of people in Ukraine who have pointed out the same, some now rotting in Zelensky's prisons. Most stay quiet or leave to avoid the same fate. https://www.democracynow.org/2023/8/7/headlines/ukrainian_authorities_charge_peace_activist_yurii_sheliazhenko_raid_his_home https://www.democracynow.org/2023/8/7/headlines/ukrainian_au...
  - daemoens 3y ago
    Do you think this is a website for hackers?

legitster 3y ago

I think you have replied to a wrong comment.

jacquesm 3y ago

That's Putins own words. Besides, we already have plenty of evidence of this not being delusional: as you say, lots of Ukrainians are dead, even more wounded and yet the Russians keep coming. Weakening Russia isn't for NATO's benefit, NATO already borders Russia. It's for Ukraine's benefit first and foremost. Also, I'm quite surprised that you would engage HN in your propaganda efforts.

pauldenton 3y ago
If Putin said the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was incompetent and resulted in unnecessary loss of life and billions of equipment for the Taliban Would that statement be Russian propaganda or the truth?
miguelazo 3y ago
Ah yes, anything you and the corporate media disagree with is “propaganda”. Quite the hacker mindset! Pathetic.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  No, it's just what you are saying, the corporate media have nothing to do with it and I'm fine with you carrying water for Putin but let's not pretend it's anything else.
  - miguelazo 3y ago
    Excuse me? Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh, as well as distinguished international relations scholar and professor John Mearsheimer have said the same thing. You are just parroting the warmonger corporate media-- let's not pretend it's anything else.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      Hersh and Mearsheimer have been proven to be stupendously wrong on this whole Ukraine war, you're going to have to do a lot better than that. The 'warmonger corporate media'? Really, you should go to Eastern Poland or Ukraine for that matter and spout some of this nonsense, see how far it will get you. Let me give you a hint: they are not at all afraid of the media. But they are - and you'd have to agree with some significant evidence on their side - afraid that Russia has become utterly unhinged and will escalate this conflict even further.
      - miguelazo 3y ago
        Russia warned repeatedly for decades that it would not tolerate NATO on its borders. It was promised that NATO would not expand. All of this was very predictable, as Hersh and Mearsheimer have said. They were not proved wrong whatsoever outside of your colorful imagination. What is unhinged is the way that people like you will defend the blatant hostility and warmongering that led to all of this. And there are plenty of people in Ukraine who have pointed out the same, some now rotting in Zelensky's prisons. Most stay quiet or leave to avoid the same fate. https://www.democracynow.org/2023/8/7/headlines/ukrainian_authorities_charge_peace_activist_yurii_sheliazhenko_raid_his_home https://www.democracynow.org/2023/8/7/headlines/ukrainian_au...
- daemoens 3y ago
  Do you think this is a website for hackers?